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  "thread": {
    "id": 103,
    "subject": "Gene Wolfe's New Sun stuff (jungles in the Garden)",
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    "first": "1992-10-04T00:58:10+00:00",
    "last": "1992-10-04T00:58:10+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<sflovers-v17-521-5@digest.sf-lovers>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Toshi Takeuchi",
        "address": "tt at wag.caltech.edu"
      },
      "date": "1992-10-04T00:58:10+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: Gene Wolfe's New Sun stuff (jungles in the Garden)",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "merritt at milton.u.washington.edu (Ethan Merritt) writes about the\njungle area in the garden:"
        },
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          "depth": 1,
          "text": "  I could never tie up the loose threads in this one.  I half suspect\nthat Wolfe was originally heading in another direction in his conception\nof the panoramas, but changed his mind.  For what it's worth I think that\nthe reason that the inhabitants were semi-oblivious to Severian and\ncompany was that (1) each panorama sort of exuded a proper mind-set for\nits setting (2) susceptible passers by were taken up by this and became\neffectively part of the stage set. I.e. I don't think the people were true\noriginals seen via time travel, I think they were contemporaries of\nSeverian who had gotten caught up in an Ernest Hemmingway look-alike\ncontest imposed by the stage set."
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          "text": "I agree with this to an extent.  The strange thing, however, is that\nSeverian saw the \"flyer\", which I believe was a single propeller airplane,\nwhich was delivering mail.\n\nThose people in the hut were then expecting mail and other goods from the\nplane.\n\nI think the place was meant to be ambiguous, but the people in the set\ncertainly seemed like early 20th century jungle settlers, and the single\nprop plane seems to show that a glass dome may not have existed, unless he\nwas having a mutual hallucination with the others."
        },
        {
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          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Here's a question in return: at least one of the stories which Severian\nrelates from his little brown book is recognizable - that of Theseus\nreturning without changing his sails.  Can the other stories be matched up\nwith tales we already know?"
        },
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          "text": "Hmm, I think the quote from Jonas should have been a hint for those of you\nmore literary types.  He said something like:\n\n   \"The king would knew that son would come back to Athens \n    with black sails if he failed...\"\n\t\nToshi"
        }
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