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    "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/sflovers/133",
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  "thread": {
    "id": 133,
    "subject": "Gene Wolfe's Book of the New Sun",
    "messages": 5,
    "voices": 4,
    "first": "1996-02-06T17:46:08+00:00",
    "last": "1996-02-07T18:50:22+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<sflovers-v21-17-12@digest.sf-lovers>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Robert Otte",
        "address": "rwo at med.pitt.edu"
      },
      "date": "1996-02-06T17:46:08+00:00",
      "subject": "Gene Wolfe's Book of the New Sun",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "I have just been enjoying Dan Simmon's sequel to Hyperion/Fall of Hyperion\ncalled Endymion.  On the back cover various reviewers compare DS's work to\nGene Wolfe 's Book of the New Sun.  The only problem is I can't find Book\nof the New Sun anywhere.  Does it exist? It's not even listed in a\nreference text in my local bookstore.  However, there is sequel to Book of\nthe New Sun titled \"Urth of the New Sun\" which refers to \"BOTNS\".  It's\nvery confusing, plus there are several book with titles including \"so and\nso, or such and such\" of the LONG Sun.  Can anybody help me out there?\n\nBob"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<sflovers-v21-17-13@digest.sf-lovers>",
      "from": {
        "name": "P Nielsen Hayden",
        "address": "pnh at tor.com"
      },
      "date": "1996-02-06T19:27:11+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: Gene Wolfe's Book of the New Sun",
      "in_reply_to": "<sflovers-v21-17-12@digest.sf-lovers>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
      "blocks": [
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          "kind": "text",
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          "text": "\"The Book of the New Sun\" consists of the volumes THE SHADOW OF THE\nTORTURER, THE CLAW OF THE CONCILIATOR, THE SWORD OF THE LICTOR, and THE\nCITADEL OF THE AUTARCH.  Currently, these four books are available as two\ntrade paperback omnibuses from our Orb imprint: SHADOW AND CLAW contains\nthe first two, and SWORD AND CITADEL contains the second two.\n\nTHE URTH OF THE NEW SUN is a \"pendant\" - not really a sequel, to THE BOOK\nOF THE NEW SUN.\n\n\"The Book of the Long Sun\" is a separate four-volume sequence set in the\nsame universe, but some millenia earlier.  It consists of the volumes\nNIGHTSIDE THE LONG SUN, LAKE OF THE LONG SUN, CALDE OF THE LONG SUN, and\nthe forthcoming (in fall '96) EXODUS FROM THE LONG SUN.\n\nPatrick Nielsen Hayden"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<sflovers-v21-17-14@digest.sf-lovers>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Marcus Ogden",
        "address": "mwo20 at cam.ac.uk"
      },
      "date": "1996-02-07T12:36:33+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: Gene Wolfe's Book of the New Sun",
      "in_reply_to": "<sflovers-v21-17-13@digest.sf-lovers>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
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          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Excellent stuff, far-future SF set on an atmospherically evoked low-tech\nEarth with high-tech undercurrents. Expect to have to pay close attention\nto work out what the hell is going on. If you loved the literary quality of\nthe Hyperion books, you should enjoy these, though the tone is much darker.\n\nThe \"Long Sun\" series is newer, and as yet unfinished, but it has a\ndifferent setting (though with one or two very slight links) to the \"New\nSun\" books.\n\nMarcus Ogden\nmwo20 at cam.ac.uk"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<sflovers-v21-17-15@digest.sf-lovers>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Marcus Ogden",
        "address": "mwo20 at cam.ac.uk"
      },
      "date": "1996-02-07T12:38:30+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: Gene Wolfe's Book of the New Sun",
      "in_reply_to": "<sflovers-v21-17-14@digest.sf-lovers>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
      "blocks": [
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          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "pnh at tor.com (P Nielsen Hayden) wrote:\n\"The Book of the Long Sun\" is a separate four-volume sequence set in the\nsame universe, but some millenia earlier."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Earlier, eh? How do you figure this? (I haven't read \"Calde\" yet, so\nforgive me if there are giveaways in that book.)\n\nMarcus Ogden\nmwo20 at cam.ac.uk"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<sflovers-v21-17-17@digest.sf-lovers>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Kevin J. Maroney",
        "address": "kevin at crossover.com"
      },
      "date": "1996-02-07T18:50:22+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: Gene Wolfe's Book of the New Sun",
      "in_reply_to": "<sflovers-v21-17-15@digest.sf-lovers>",
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          "text": "Probably earlier. SPOILER: The Whorl was launched during the reign of\nTyphon, probably 3000 years earlier. Typhon is far more than 3000 years in\nSeverian's past.\n\nKevin Maroney\nCrossover Technologies"
        }
      ]
    }
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