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  "thread": {
    "id": 14,
    "subject": "shadow of the torturer and thomas co - (nf)",
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      "message_id": "<sflovers-v7-44-3@digest.sf-lovers>",
      "from": {
        "name": "hplabs!hpda!bvi",
        "address": "hplabs!hpda!bvi@ucb-vax"
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      "date": null,
      "subject": "Re: shadow of the torturer and thomas co - (nf)",
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          "text": "Hmmm... No, the only correlation between Donaldson and Wolfe that\nI share is that they're both hard to get into.  However, whereas I\n*forced* myself to finish the 1st Donaldson book, and had absolutely\n*no* interest in reading any more in the sequence, I found I couldn't\nput Shadow of the Torturer down once I got about 1/4 of the way into\nit.  It does take a bit of getting used to, because Wolfe writes in a\ndeliberately obscure manner that forces you to use more imagination\nthan most other SF books.  I found that Severian and the whole culture\nportrayed in the book fascinating; I finished SoT in one sitting and\nran out the next day to buy the other three books, which I finished\npost haste.  I only wish there were more!\n\nBeatriz Infante"
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        "address": "hplabs!hpda!fortune!amd70!packet!cfv@ucb-vax"
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      "date": null,
      "subject": "Re: shadow of the torturer and thomas co - (nf)",
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          "text": "I seem to have had a similar response to SotT.  It took me about\n3 months to finish the book, but the first quarter of the book took\nall but 4 days of it.  It was not that I didn't like the book, but it\nis an involved and thought provoking book and you have to be in the\nproper frame of mind.  If you don't feel like involving yourself in\nthe book, it just doesn't work.  I have a similar response to movies:\nsome days I feel like Fellini, some days I feel like the Marx\nBrothers.\n\n     One thing that I noticed (someone out there want to back me up on\nthis?)  when reading it was that the feel of the New Sun books was\nvery close to the works of Kafka.  As it turned out, I was reading\nsome of Kafka's short works about the time I read SotT, so it might\njust be a reaction to that, but it almost felt like he was using a\nwork like The Castle as a philosphical base.  There is also a lot of\nclassical literature entertwined into the fabric of the story,\nespecially the Greek and Roman mythologies.\n\n     I haven't read the Covenant yet. Maybe I should... Is it really a\ngood work?"
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          "text": "From the dungeons of the Warlock:"
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          "text": "Chuck Von Rospach\nucbvax!amd70!packet!cfv\n(chuqui@mit-mc)  <- obsolete!"
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