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  "thread": {
    "id": 38,
    "subject": "Gene Wolfe books about books",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "1984-11-29T22:53:00+00:00",
    "last": "1984-12-05T12:33:08+00:00"
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    {
      "message_id": "<sflovers-v9-213-10@digest.sf-lovers>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Purtill",
        "address": "purtill at mit-multics.arpa"
      },
      "date": "1984-11-29T22:53:00+00:00",
      "subject": "Gene Wolfe books about books",
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          "text": "Does anyone know of any easy (or possible) ways of\n\\getting/ Gene Wolfe's THE CASTLE OF THE OTTER and/or PLAN[E]T\nENGINEERING?  As I understand it, both were put out by small presses\nin small quantities.  I heard that the Science Fiction Book Club put\nout THE CASTLE OF THE OTTER.  Is this true?  Is it still available?\n(I.e., if I joined now, could I get it?)\n\nThanks in advance,\n\nMark Purtill\nPurtill@MIT_MULTICS"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<sflovers-v9-215-3@digest.sf-lovers>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Donn Seeley",
        "address": "donn@utah-cs"
      },
      "date": "1984-12-05T12:33:08+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: Gene Wolfe books about books",
      "in_reply_to": "<sflovers-v9-213-10@digest.sf-lovers>",
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          "text": "I don't have a line on purchasable copies of THE CASTLE OF THE OTTER\nor PLAN[E]T ENGINEERING, but a good place to start is with Mark\nZiesing, publisher of OTTER and from whom I bought both books:\n\n        Mark V Ziesing\n        PO Box 806 (orders) or 762 Main St. (store)\nZiesing is a wonderful source of Wolfe books; apart from OTTER and\nPLAN[E]T, I've bought THE WOLFE ARCHIPELAGO, FREE LIVE FREE (both\npublished by Mark), THE CITADEL OF THE AUTARCH, and just recently an\nautographed hardbound edition of THE FIFTH HEAD OF CERBERUS (a great\nbook that has been afflicted with revolting cover art in its\npaperback editions).  Even if Mark can't get you copies of these\nbooks, you might be able to find out from him where else they might\nbe available now or in the future.\n\nHere's some publication info on OTTER and PLAN[E]T:\n\nTHE CASTLE OF THE OTTER: A BOOK ABOUT The Book of the New Sun.  Gene\nWolfe.  Ziesing Bros.: Willimantic CT, 1982.  ISBN 0-917488-10-5,\n0-917488-11-3 (signed ed.).  117 pp.  Limited edition of 520 copies.\nContains essays on the structure and symbolism of the novel, poetry,\nonomastics ('the study of names') and warfare; plus a glossary for\nSHADOW, an essay on writing, a collection of jokes told by\ncharacters from the novel, a history of the publishing of the novel\nand a Wolfe bibliography through 10/81, by Gordon Benson.\n\nPLAN[E]T ENGINEERING.  Gene Wolfe.  NESFA Press: Box G MIT Branch\nP.O., Cambridge MA 02139-0910, 1984.  ISBN 0-915368-25-0,\n0-915368-83-8 (slipcased ed.).  155 pp.  Limited edition of 1000\ncopies.  Contains: Introduction by David Hartwell; 'Logology' (a\nforeword); 'The Books in THE BOOK OF THE NEW SUN' (an essay); 'In\nLooking-Glass Castle', 'The Rubber Bend', 'The Marvelous Brass\nChessplaying Automaton', 'When I was Ming the Merciless', 'The\nHORARS of War', 'A Criminal Proceeding' (a personal favorite), 'The\nDetective of Dreams' (all stories); 'British Soldier near Rapier\nAntiaircraft Missile Battery Scans for the Enemy', 'Last Night in\nthe Garden of Forking Tongues' (about guess who?), 'The Computer\nIterates the Greater Trumps' (all poetry); and 'The Anatomy of a\nRobot', an article from PLANT ENGINEERING MAGAZINE.\n\nI originally heard about Mark Ziesing and OTTER through sf-lovers,"
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