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  "thread": {
    "id": 1038,
    "subject": "Aquastors I have known and loved",
    "messages": 1,
    "voices": 1,
    "first": "1998-08-03T07:33:48+00:00",
    "last": "1998-08-03T07:33:48+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0017-0080@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Dan Parmenter",
        "address": "dan at lec.com"
      },
      "date": "1998-08-03T07:33:48+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Aquastors I have known and loved",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
      "blocks": [
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          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "From: mary whalen <marewhalen at yahoo.com>\nIn the BNS, if there is any difference between the terms eidolon and\naquastor, it seems to be that the eidolon is created from the memories\nof the person being recreated.  Aquastors come from the memories of\nother people.  The mind from which the memories for the aquastor would\nnot be able to tell that they were not the real people, since they\nwould never act in a way that the originator wouldn't believe them to\ndo, even if the real person would have done something different from\nthat.  An eidolon would be exactly like the original, since it is\ncreated from the original's memories.  Actually, the eidolon would\nonly be a perfect copy if the original had all the memories of its\nlife.  A being with imperfect memory would have experienced things and\nhave memories hidden (or unavailable) to its current memories, and\nwould probably actually be slightly different from the original,\nthough not in significant ways, since only remembered memories would\nprobably have affected the original anyway."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "I am reminded also of the Tibetan \"tulpa\".  I was reading up on the\nmatter on a parapsychology website and it's interesting that\napparently a tulpa is sort of a phantom presence that is maintained by\nits creator whereas a \"tulku\" is more of an independent, fully-formed\n(though created) being.  Seems to correspond pretty nicely with the\naquastor/eidolon distinction."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "When Sev. resurrects Thecla in his mind he had eaten part of her and\nthe alzabo, so he had all of her memories when giving her life\n(recreating her soul in him).  We can't even be sure exactly what the\nprocess of autarchization is like to someone with imperfect memory and\nwithout revitalizing power."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "I should point out that this has been discussed at some length (check\nthe archives).\n\nD"
        }
      ]
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