# Aquastors I have known and loved *The Urth list — 1 messages, 1 voices, 03 Aug 1998* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### Dan Parmenter *03 Aug 1998, 07:33* > From: mary whalen > In the BNS, if there is any difference between the terms eidolon and > aquastor, it seems to be that the eidolon is created from the memories > of the person being recreated. Aquastors come from the memories of > other people. The mind from which the memories for the aquastor would > not be able to tell that they were not the real people, since they > would never act in a way that the originator wouldn't believe them to > do, even if the real person would have done something different from > that. An eidolon would be exactly like the original, since it is > created from the original's memories. Actually, the eidolon would > only be a perfect copy if the original had all the memories of its > life. A being with imperfect memory would have experienced things and > have memories hidden (or unavailable) to its current memories, and > would probably actually be slightly different from the original, > though not in significant ways, since only remembered memories would > probably have affected the original anyway. I am reminded also of the Tibetan "tulpa". I was reading up on the matter on a parapsychology website and it's interesting that apparently a tulpa is sort of a phantom presence that is maintained by its creator whereas a "tulku" is more of an independent, fully-formed (though created) being. Seems to correspond pretty nicely with the aquastor/eidolon distinction. > When Sev. resurrects Thecla in his mind he had eaten part of her and > the alzabo, so he had all of her memories when giving her life > (recreating her soul in him). We can't even be sure exactly what the > process of autarchization is like to someone with imperfect memory and > without revitalizing power. I should point out that this has been discussed at some length (check the archives). D ---