{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/1055", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 1055, "subject": "More on Peace", "messages": 3, "voices": 3, "first": "1998-08-23T23:16:22+00:00", "last": "1998-08-24T01:13:34+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "CRCulver", "address": "crculver at aol.com" }, "date": "1998-08-23T23:16:22+00:00", "subject": "(urth) More on Peace", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Jason Voegele wrote:\n\n\nBut so is every Wolfe book. \n\n\n\n\nBecause my computer has only enough memory to let me view one volume of the\narchives before I have to reboot my computer (it's 12 years old), can you give\nme the specific volume?\n\n\n\n\nWhat is all this business about his stroke? \n\n\nOne thing I find positively creepy is the absence of Weer's parents. They are\nonly mentioned in the section relating his childhood, and then they are not\nactually present. It has occurred to me that they died and Olivia, because\nWeer was very young, just told them they were on vacation. This hypothesis\nfits in with the changing on the vacation from a planned one year to more than\ntwo years. However, I'm not sure if this is write.\n\nChristopher R. Culver \nhttp://members.aol.com/crculver/index.html\n------------------------------------------------\n\"The darkest dreams are the ones that come true.\"\n-Warren Defever" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "William H. Ansley", "address": "wansley at warwick.net" }, "date": "1998-08-24T01:11:53+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) More on Peace", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "What is all this business about his stroke?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "It is as certain as anything can be in a Wolfe book that Weer is dead, a\nYADP (Yet Another Dead Protanganist - another useful term I offer to Wolfe\nscholars), both from internal evidence and because Wolfe has said so. It\nalso seems pretty certain to me that he doesn't know he is dead or at least\nis almost completely unaware of his state; although he may be close to this\nrealization at the very end of the book." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "One thing I find positively creepy is the absence of Weer's parents. They are\nonly mentioned in the section relating his childhood, and then they are not\nactually present. It has occurred to me that they died and Olivia, because\nWeer was very young, just told them they were on vacation. This hypothesis\nfits in with the changing on the vacation from a planned one year to more than\ntwo years. However, I'm not sure if this is write." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "It is creepy but I am sure that are not dead since Weer refers more than\nonce to his parents' return in the past tense. Because of the confusion of\ntime in the book, this doesn't *prove* anything, of course. But I find the\npassage where Weer says words to the effect that his parents had finally\nreturned but would forever remain strangers very convincing. Actually, I\n*can't* find it; I just skimmed the book for it but missed it. Maybe I'll\nreread _Peace_ again to search it out. It is my favorite book by Wolfe and\none of my favorite books, period.\n\nWilliam Ansley" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Jason Voegele", "address": "voegele.6 at osu.edu" }, "date": "1998-08-24T01:13:34+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) More on Peace", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "-----Original Message-----\nFrom: CRCulver at aol.com \nTo: urth at lists.best.com \nDate: Sunday, August 23, 1998 7:22 PM\nSubject: (urth) More on Peace\n\n\n|Jason Voegele wrote:\n|\n|\n|But so is every Wolfe book. \n\nTrue, so true. ;-)\n\n|\n|\n|\n|\n|Because my computer has only enough memory to let me view one volume of the\n|archives before I have to reboot my computer (it's 12 years old), can you\ngive\n|me the specific volume?\n\nI feel pretty certain that it's volume one. Anyway, it was early on in the\narchives, so if volume one fails reboot and try, try again ;-)\n\n\n|\n|\n|What is all this business about his stroke?\n\n\nPerhaps this is how he originally died, and since he hasn't come to grips\nwith this fact he is haunting Cassionsville. This sounds like some literary\nartistry, though, so mantis probably has a good modernist interpretation of\nthis one.\n\n|One thing I find positively creepy is the absence of Weer's parents. They\nare\n|only mentioned in the section relating his childhood, and then they are not\n|actually present. It has occurred to me that they died and Olivia, because\n|Weer was very young, just told them they were on vacation. This hypothesis\n|fits in with the changing on the vacation from a planned one year to more\nthan\n|two years. However, I'm not sure if this is write.\n\n\nThis is odd, and odder that I've never considered it. Sometimes I get so\ncaught up in the mysteries that a skeleton could jump up and dance in front\nof me and I'd never notice.\n\nPerhaps another reread is in order.\n\nJason Voegele|" } ] } ] }