{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/1083", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 1083, "subject": "Musings on the Hierodule fieldguide", "messages": 4, "voices": 3, "first": "1998-09-03T00:03:22+00:00", "last": "1998-09-05T00:31:04+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "CRCulver", "address": "crculver at aol.com" }, "date": "1998-09-03T00:03:22+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Musings on the Hierodule fieldguide", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": ")>\n\nHappily, Inire seems to be just enamoured by little exultantesses, and there\nis no evidence of his actually molesting them. Boy, wouldn't that be an\nembarassment to the reign of the Autarch Severian.\nI'm sure Inire has a longer lifespan than other Hierodules, considering he\neasily surivived ~2 chiliads as grand vizier (but what happened to him after\nSeverian sailed to Yesod???)\nMantis compares Inire to a bird, but I believe the monkey comparison is used\nmore than once in the ol' manuscripts\n\n\n\nDo you mean the so-called \"fantassins?\" Fantassination is one of the least-\ndiscussed aspects of Hierodulic technology, and I wish Wolfe would share more.\nPerhaps the fantassins about the Ship of the Hierodules are the same who tried\nto subdue Baldanders at the House Absolute.\n\nChristopher R. Culver \nhttp://members.aol.com/crculver/index.html" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "William H. Ansley", "address": "wansley at warwick.net" }, "date": "1998-09-04T00:06:07+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Musings on the Hierodule fieldguide", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": ")>\n\nHappily, Inire seems to be just enamoured by little exultantesses, and there\nis no evidence of his actually molesting them. Boy, wouldn't that be an\nembarassment to the reign of the Autarch Severian." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I certainly hope no one reading this list thinks that Charles Lutwidge\nDodgson (Lewis Carroll) molested any children. He didn't. He also wasn't a\nchild pornographer - mantis was joking (I hope).\n\nWilliam Ansley" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Charles Dye", "address": "raster at highfiber.com" }, "date": "1998-09-04T09:30:54+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Musings on the Hierodule fieldguide", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "William Ansley writes:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "[quoting mantis]" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Happily, Inire seems to be just enamoured by little exultantesses, and there\nis no evidence of his actually molesting them. Boy, wouldn't that be an\nembarassment to the reign of the Autarch Severian." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I certainly hope no one reading this list thinks that Charles Lutwidge\nDodgson (Lewis Carroll) molested any children. He didn't. He also wasn't a\nchild pornographer - mantis was joking (I hope)." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "In fact, Inire seems decidedly un-Carrollian in the \"Father Inire's Mirrors\"\nepisode. He takes Domnina away without her parents' permission; he\nfrightens her; his explanations seem to confuse rather than educate.\nHe speaks general relativity, rather than charming nonsense.\n\nStill, the connection is definitely there. Mirrors and little girls. And\nnotice how coyly Father Inire drops the name \"pleasance?\"\n\nraster at highfiber.com" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "William H. Ansley", "address": "wansley at warwick.net" }, "date": "1998-09-05T00:31:04+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Musings on the Hierodule fieldguide", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "raster at highfiber.com (Charles Dye) wrote:\nIn fact, Inire seems decidedly un-Carrollian in the \"Father Inire's Mirrors\"\nepisode. He takes Domnina away without her parents' permission; he\nfrightens her; his explanations seem to confuse rather than educate.\nHe speaks general relativity, rather than charming nonsense.\n\nStill, the connection is definitely there. Mirrors and little girls. And\nnotice how coyly Father Inire drops the name \"pleasance?\"" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I certainly don't deny the Carroll connection, I noticed it myself on my\nfirst reading of TBotNS and especially \"The Cat\".\n\nEven though I was quite sure that Christopher R. Culver \nwas just joining in on mantis's joke about Lewis Carroll and that everyone\nreading the list would understand this, I thought there was just the\ntiniest possibility for confusion, which was why I spoke up (thus revealing\na hypersensitivity to possibly harmful misunderstandings that Charles\nDodgson himself could probably have appreciated).\n\n(BTW, I accept your apology mantis, but no real offense was taken.)\n\nWilliam Ansley" } ] } ] }