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  "thread": {
    "id": 1139,
    "subject": "Digest urth.v019.n012",
    "messages": 1,
    "voices": 1,
    "first": "1998-10-07T20:28:29+00:00",
    "last": "1998-10-07T20:28:29+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0019-0063@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Jon Camfield",
        "address": "griffjon at mail.utexas.edu"
      },
      "date": "1998-10-07T20:28:29+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Re: Digest urth.v019.n012",
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          "text": "From: Dan Parmenter <dan at lec.com>"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Yes, and we are told that torturers never go there."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "They never go there to be healed, but it doesn't necesarily follow that\nthey wouldn't drop off a child (though it seems more likely that they'd\nhand it over to the witches.  Maybe the witches passed it off, though this\ngets more and more complex.  We assume Catherine gave birth to Sev and\nSev's sister while in the Obuilette (why else would Sev remember nursing in\nthe prison cell, otherwise?)\n\nBut... (Sorry, I don't have my books here) don't the torturers not accept\nbabies that young?  Don't they have to be able to stand, but shorter than a\nman's leg?\n\nPerhaps Catherine gave birth to Sev and Sis while in the obuilette, then\nafter her excrutiation, was let free.  Being the daughter of at best an\noptimate family, and having committed a crime worthy of torture, she\nprobably didn't have much money.  She scrapes by, but eventually returns to\nthe Seekers for help.  She gives them her son and earns extra wages by\nbeing Katherine of the Wheel once a year.\n\n...But what about the daughter?  Knowing the Seekers wouldn't take her, the\ndaughter wouldn't be given to them and probably not to the witches either.\nPerhaps with only one child Catherine could afford to care for her\n(barely?)?  Perhaps she gave the child to the Healers, or even to the\nPelerines.  Or perhaps the child grew up and became a whore at the\nEchopraxia.... (since the khaibit theory is back to being in question)"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Of course Severian is a healer too.  He is praised as a \"leech\", and\npatches up Triskele (after first raising him from the dead :-)"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "And the healers are known for acts of cruelty to torturers-- nice\nmirroring, I think"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "By Gurloes \"dropping hints\", do you mean hints about Severian's true\nnature?  Or hints about his own ghastly life?  I'm thinking of the\n\"metal phallus\" scene here."
        },
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          "text": "I meant the metal phallus / \"viagra\" powder scene, yes.\n\n------------------------------------------------------------------\nJon Camfield      \"GriffJon\"  \t|Webmaster, Plan II Honors Program:\nGriffJon at mail.utexas.edu   \t| www.dla.utexas.edu/~plan2\nHomepage, Gallery, Resume:\t|Channel Manager, Undernet #Poetry\n ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~griffjon \t| www.tripod.com/~ircpoetry\n------------------------------------------------------------------\n\"The most incomprehensible fact about nature is that it is comprehensible\"\n-- Albert Einstein"
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