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    "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/1159",
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  "thread": {
    "id": 1159,
    "subject": "Digest urth.v019.n015",
    "messages": 1,
    "voices": 1,
    "first": "1998-10-11T15:12:56+00:00",
    "last": "1998-10-11T15:12:56+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0019-0090@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Kieran Mullen",
        "address": "kieran at phyast.nhn.ou.edu"
      },
      "date": "1998-10-11T15:12:56+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Re:  Digest urth.v019.n015",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
      "blocks": [
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "From: m.driussi at genie.com\nSubject: (urth) silence is golden\nDate: Sat, 10 Oct 98 02:59:00 GMT"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Whoops--Kieran Mullen thinks we should shut up."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Okay!"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "=m..."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "    Eeek!  Surely there is a middle ground between run-away exegesis and\nsilence.  Either extreme of censorship (on discourse or criticism) seems\nbad."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "From: \"Robert Borski\" <rborski at coredcs.com>\nSubject: Catherine the thief, adrift in time\nDate: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:46:12 -0500"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Question for raster, then (or Kieran M or anyone else.): who's the woman\narrested by the Praetorians in the loggia when Severian returns to the\nHouse Absolute (Urth, Ch. 41) since you seem to think my theory's full of\nballoon juice? I still say it's the *original* Katharine, she of canonical\nfame to the Torturer's guild. Who do you?"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "   Hmm.. Dunno.  I'd better look at Urth again.  BTW, I really\nlike the phrase \"balloon juice.\"  :-)"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Also, I'd be very happy to entertain anyone's elses notions of who Sev's\nmaternal grandparents might be. Of course, that would require original\nthinking, and since it's much easier and cheaper to shoot at other people's\nclay pigeons... "
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "   By profession I am a scientist.  In my field it is considered valuable\nto prove that something is wrong or unreasonable, as well as suggest \npossible theories.   I respect your right to spin explanations as well\nas my own to accept or reject them.  If I use the sword of sarcasm too\nsharply, my apologies.   \n\n[deletia]"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Earlier this year prion (Sean Whalen) brilliantly observed the connection\nbetween Appian, the old autarch, and the Latin word for bee, apis. Why this\nworks is because Appian was a honey steward before he became autarch. And\nwho trained him in his duties as honey steward, the same way Palaemon\ntrained Severian? Paeon."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "   I liked Sean's insight too."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "But notice how in LEXICON URTHUS, mantis remarks how Palaemon was\noriginally known as Melicertes. (I believe prion mentions this too.)  Also\nnow recall that the Greek word for honey is meli (Latin, mel).\n\nThis is but one clue of many that Paeon and Palaemon are one and the same."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "   Hmm... interesting.  Especially since the aquaestor takes on the\nrole of Master Palaemon.   But isn't it stated or implied that Severian\nis the first torturer-autarch?  And wouldn't there have to be an RNA\ntransfer to Appian during the period we know Palaemon is still alive?\n(Actually, do we have a date for his death?)  \n\n                    Kieran Mullen"
        }
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