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  "thread": {
    "id": 1236,
    "subject": "Digest urth.v021.n003",
    "messages": 1,
    "voices": 1,
    "first": "1998-10-30T17:17:12+00:00",
    "last": "1998-10-30T17:17:12+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0021-0026@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Gap",
        "address": "gape at dsuper.net"
      },
      "date": "1998-10-30T17:17:12+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Re: Digest urth.v021.n003",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Hello!"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 3,
          "text": "I've not yet seen SF which gets\nLinguistics right at all; the tendancy is to go wild on the wildest\nversion of Whorf' hypothesis, or to get some basic concept wrong.\nAs an MSc in Computer Science, it's the same for computing.  This\nis not to say that there couldn't be a tool for programming the mind\nvia language (indeed, advertising and so on show that there _is_),\nbut it's not going to be Sumerian."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "This post is interesting, because I recently saw a book by Jack Vance\ncalled _The Languages of Pao_, which said something like \"The first\nscience fiction book based on the science of linguistics\" on the\ncover.  I have no idea what the story is about.  Since Wolfe says he\nwas influenced by Vance, particularly the Dying Earth books, I\nwondered if there are any stories where someone has noticed any\nemphasis on linguistics."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "The Languages of Pao is a very interesting book where the language is use to\nreunite\ndifferent cultural group. I live in montreal (im sure you notice that im not\nenglish) and i think that ill start to teach this language to all people in\nthis town...im sure (if you are aware of the political situation here) this\nwill help us to understand each other! ;-)"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "What about C.S. Lewis's \"Out of the Silent Planet\"?  The main character is\na philologist and a significant portion of the book is about language\nlearning.  Does that count as \"linguistics\"?\n\nThere is Wolfe's whole \"I'm just translating this old manuscript from the\nfuture\" conceit, which is fairly old hat (except maybe the \"from the\nfuture\" part.  Have other authors done that before?  Wolfe seems to play\nit pretty much as a joke.)"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Some other exemple of the use of linguistic as a tool in a SF text can be\nfound in this 2 famous work:\n1984 and Flower for Algernon.\n\nGap\nhttp://www.dsuper.net/~gape\n\"la vie est trop courte pour etre prise au serieux\"\n\nn.b.: soorry for my so poor english...but ive begin to read this list a long\ntime ago and now i just want to say at least a little \"hello\" even if its\nnot understable..."
        }
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