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    "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/125",
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  "thread": {
    "id": 125,
    "subject": "Digest urth",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "1997-07-27T12:25:43+00:00",
    "last": "1997-07-28T16:33:00+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0003-0194@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "SJF37",
        "address": "sjf37 at aol.com"
      },
      "date": "1997-07-27T12:25:43+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Digest urth",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "When you send out the digest, do you think you could indicate whether any of\nthe postings are about the New Sun series?  Usually, they aren't, and what\nI'm really interested is discussions on that topic.\n\nMany thanks from Deborah"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0003-0195@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "m.driussi",
        "address": "m.driussi at genie.com"
      },
      "date": "1997-07-28T16:33:00+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Digest urth",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0003-0194@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "Reply:  Item #1324261 from URTH at LISTS.BEST.COM@INET02#\n\nNutria,\n\nI've been reading TBOTNS again, gathering up all sorts of strange new\nthreads . . .\n\nBut to get back to your words on the Fish elements in the Botanical\nGardens of Nessus.\n\nFirst there is Severian's interrupted telling of Thecla's tale of\nFather Inire's Fish, the magic mirrors, and girlish Chatelaine\nDomnina.  The girl is real (disturbed by her own reflections in the\nmagic mirrors), the Fish is becoming real (image precedes\nexistence), Inire is a master \"fish hunter\" and uses fisherman's terms\nin describing the process.  Inire also points out that the Fish is the\nfirst creature to manifest in the mirrors.\n\n(Tangent: when Severian enters the jungle hut he waxes philosophical\nabout \"changelings\" being polar opposites--the hut being a bower of\nlight compared to the Matachin's prison of darkness.  This is\nimportant because it presages the Hildegrin/Apu-Punchau encounter,\nbut it also gives a datapoint on what \"changeling\" means to Wolfe [re:\nstory of that name].)\n\nSecond, the next chapter has Isangoma's interrupted tale of somebody\nelse fish hunting.  This time the Fish is real, the girl's face on\nthe mirror-like surface of the water is illusory, the fish hunter is\nthwarted.  Another angle (as in \"angling\"? <g>) of interpretation in\ncomparing these two stories might be that \"the next creature to\nmanifest in the mirrors, after the Fish, has the face of a woman\" (which\ncertainly works well later on, when Severian opens the Book of Mirrors\nand sees the butterfly woman swimming through space).\n\nWe get one chapter to digest this, and then the third installment,\nvery brief.  Hildegrin refers to Dorcas and Severian as \"the girl\"\nand the Fish she caught.  Whoa!  Severian is the Fish; Dorcas is the\ngirl; both are real; the lake is a mirror-like surface dividing two\nuniverses (living in air/dead in water; or living shore/avern shore);\nDorcas' husband is the fisherman, this time clueless.\n\nAn interesting progression using very few elements.\n\n=mantis="
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