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    "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/1259",
    "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it.  Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.",
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  "thread": {
    "id": 1259,
    "subject": "Ollifant & Castile?",
    "messages": 3,
    "voices": 3,
    "first": "1998-11-18T23:51:00+00:00",
    "last": "1998-11-19T13:50:20+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0021-0064@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "m.driussi",
        "address": "m.driussi at genie.com"
      },
      "date": "1998-11-18T23:51:00+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Ollifant & Castile?",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "Spectacled Bear,\n\n\"Elephant and Castle\"?\n\n<blank>\n\nNo, I don't get it.\n\nBut alas!  So often is the case.\n\n=mantis="
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0021-0065@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Peter Westlake",
        "address": "peter at harlequin.co.uk"
      },
      "date": "1998-11-19T13:50:20+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) Ollifant & Castile?",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0021-0064@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
      "blocks": [
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          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "At 23:51 1998-11-18 GMT, m.driussi at genie.com wrote:\nSpectacled Bear,\n\n\"Elephant and Castle\"?\n\n<blank>\n\nNo, I don't get it."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "It's an area of London across the river from the Houses of Parliament,\ncomplete with famous pub - and Underground railway station.\n\nThe name comes from that time of British history when mispronouncing\npub names seems to have been a national pastime. \"God Encompasseth Us\"\nbecame the \"Goat and Compasses\", for instance, and the \"Infanta of\nCastile\" became \"Elephant and Castle\", which is an even better name.\nSo now you need to find Spanish Infanta connections ... is Contessa\na Spanish title? :-)\n\nSBear."
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0021-0066@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Alex David Groce",
        "address": "adgroce at eos.ncsu.edu"
      },
      "date": "1998-11-19T09:40:18+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) Ollifant & Castile?",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0021-0065@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
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          "text": "Peter Westlake said:"
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          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "It's an area of London across the river from the Houses of Parliament,\ncomplete with famous pub - and Underground railway station.\n\nThe name comes from that time of British history when mispronouncing\npub names seems to have been a national pastime. \"God Encompasseth Us\"\nbecame the \"Goat and Compasses\", for instance, and the \"Infanta of\nCastile\" became \"Elephant and Castle\", which is an even better name.\nSo now you need to find Spanish Infanta connections ... is Contessa\na Spanish title? :-)"
        },
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          "text": "And, to further boost the theory, we know Wolfe has been in England (one of the\nletters reprinted in CASTLE OF DAYS), and hated the roads--so, if he'd been in\nLondon (and if you go to England and don't see London something is odd), he'd\nhave certainly used the tube as much as possible.  Anyway, the \"Infanta of\nCastile\"->\"Elephant and Castle\" transition would be a very Wolfe-ish thing.\nNow, we need to scour the BOTNS & BOTLS (in case he used it as a parallel) for\nany connections between compasses and goats--after all, \"God Encompasseth Us\"\nwould be a reasonable encoded message for either work.  :)\n\tMaybe on his bee farm the old autarch also kept goats?  Connect that in\nsome way to \"The Map\" (which clearly implies a compass) and you have it!"
        },
        {
          "kind": "sig",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "\"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.\" - John 8:32\n--\nAlex David Groce (adgroce at eos.ncsu.edu)\nSenior (Computer Science/Multidisciplinary Studies in Technology & Fiction)\n'98-99 NCSU AITP Student Chapter President\n608 Charleston Road, Apt. 1E (919)-233-7366\nhttp://www4.ncsu.edu/~adgroce"
        }
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