Ollifant & Castile? The Urth list — 3 messages, 3 voices, 18 Nov 1998 https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/1259 Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. ============================================================================== m.driussi — 18 Nov 1998, 23:51 Spectacled Bear, "Elephant and Castle"? No, I don't get it. But alas! So often is the case. =mantis= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Peter Westlake — 19 Nov 1998, 13:50 follows, by subject match m.driussi > At 23:51 1998-11-18 GMT, m.driussi at genie.com wrote: > Spectacled Bear, > > "Elephant and Castle"? > > > > No, I don't get it. It's an area of London across the river from the Houses of Parliament, complete with famous pub - and Underground railway station. The name comes from that time of British history when mispronouncing pub names seems to have been a national pastime. "God Encompasseth Us" became the "Goat and Compasses", for instance, and the "Infanta of Castile" became "Elephant and Castle", which is an even better name. So now you need to find Spanish Infanta connections ... is Contessa a Spanish title? :-) SBear. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Alex David Groce — 19 Nov 1998, 09:40 follows, by subject match Peter Westlake Peter Westlake said: > It's an area of London across the river from the Houses of Parliament, > complete with famous pub - and Underground railway station. > > The name comes from that time of British history when mispronouncing > pub names seems to have been a national pastime. "God Encompasseth Us" > became the "Goat and Compasses", for instance, and the "Infanta of > Castile" became "Elephant and Castle", which is an even better name. > So now you need to find Spanish Infanta connections ... is Contessa > a Spanish title? :-) And, to further boost the theory, we know Wolfe has been in England (one of the letters reprinted in CASTLE OF DAYS), and hated the roads--so, if he'd been in London (and if you go to England and don't see London something is odd), he'd have certainly used the tube as much as possible. Anyway, the "Infanta of Castile"->"Elephant and Castle" transition would be a very Wolfe-ish thing. Now, we need to scour the BOTNS & BOTLS (in case he used it as a parallel) for any connections between compasses and goats--after all, "God Encompasseth Us" would be a reasonable encoded message for either work. :) Maybe on his bee farm the old autarch also kept goats? Connect that in some way to "The Map" (which clearly implies a compass) and you have it! -- "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free." - John 8:32 -- Alex David Groce (adgroce at eos.ncsu.edu) Senior (Computer Science/Multidisciplinary Studies in Technology & Fiction) '98-99 NCSU AITP Student Chapter President 608 Charleston Road, Apt. 1E (919)-233-7366 http://www4.ncsu.edu/~adgroce ------------------------------------------------------------------------------