URTH: It ain't finished.... The Urth list — 1 messages, 1 voices, 03 Dec 1998 https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/1293 Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. ============================================================================== Kevin J. Maroney — 03 Dec 1998, 11:15 > At 10:56 AM 12/3/98 -0500, Rostrum wrote: > Rather argue that since the English "It is > finished" can mean "It is over," "It is the end," and "It is completed," > "It is finished" is both a possible translation for "Terminus Est" and the > common English translation of Christ's last words. Actually, my point was quite different from that. I have the feeling that, in Latin, "Terminus" does *not* have the connotation of "finished" any more than does the English phrase which is its best translation, "dividing line". However, my Latin is certainly not strong enough to bolster this argument, whereas I suspect Wolfe's is pretty strong. Part of my position in this discussion is informed by a note I once read about the opening sentence of Kafka's _The Trial_. One common English translation of this sentence is: "Someone must have traduced Joseph K., for without having done anything wrong he was arrested one fine morning." The note pointed out that some English-speaking critics had made much of the connotative meanings of the word "arrested", including "being stopped"--the course of Joseph K's life is "arrested" at the same time he is. But, the note continued, the German word used in the sentence simply *does not* have that connotation; it simply means "taken into police custody". Similarly, while I think that translating "Terminus Est" as "It is finished" is a very clever observation which does actually fit the book well, I fear that it might not be a valid translation, and thus is an overinterpretation. Now, if anyone can tell me that it *is* a fair translation, I will withdraw all my hesitation and embrace the observation as well-founded and completely clever. Wombat, a.k.a. Kevin Maroney kmaroney at crossover.com Kitchen Staff Supervisor, New York Review of Science Fiction http://ebbs.english.vt.edu/olp/nyrsf/nyrsf.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------