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    "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/1294",
    "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it.  Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.",
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  "thread": {
    "id": 1294,
    "subject": "Starbirth",
    "messages": 3,
    "voices": 3,
    "first": "1998-12-04T18:55:49+00:00",
    "last": "1998-12-14T19:49:39+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0022-0023@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Alice Turner",
        "address": "al at interport.net"
      },
      "date": "1998-12-04T18:55:49+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Starbirth",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
      "blocks": [
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "From: Derek Bell <dbell at maths.tcd.ie>"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Just to be contra-contradictory :-), there is also the\noft-quoted passage \"I tell you: one must have chaos in one, to give\nbirth to a dancing star.\" Well, Severian doesn't create or *give\nbirth* to the New Sun, but he is full of chaos - all those autarchial\npersonas inside!"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Er, ahem, let me note parentheticially that not only metaphorically and\nmystically, but in some sense literally, the sexual union of Sev and Apheta\ndoes indeed create or conceive the New Sun. Which is not exactly the same as\ngving birth, but pretty close.\n\n-alga"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0022-0024@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "m.driussi",
        "address": "m.driussi at genie.com"
      },
      "date": "1998-12-05T02:42:00+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Starbirth",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0022-0023@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
      "blocks": [
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "As alga says.\n\nApheta.  The star of a nativity: the nativity of a star.\n\nScarey, circular, yet somehow . . . it makes sense.\n\nBack to the \"Terminus Est\" Latin tangle, obviously I'm on the side\nthat says, \"Write the essay anyway, even if your initial impulse\nwasn't immediately validated by the Vulgate.\"\n\nIn other news: got a snail letter the other day from our old Wolfe\nlist friend Adam Stephanides.  He has some things to say.  I'll tell\nall later.\n\n=mantis="
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0022-0028@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Derek Bell",
        "address": "dbell at maths.tcd.ie"
      },
      "date": "1998-12-14T19:49:39+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) Starbirth",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0022-0024@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
      "blocks": [
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "In message <199812050000.QAA14264 at lists1.best.com>, Alice Turner writes:"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Er, ahem, let me note parentheticially that not only metaphorically and\nmystically, but in some sense literally, the sexual union of Sev and Apheta\ndoes indeed create or conceive the New Sun. Which is not exactly the same as\ngving birth, but pretty close."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "\tGood point! Guess it shows how long it is since I've read that\nbook!\n\n\tWhich makes me wonder how much non-solar stellar imagery I've missed.\n\n\tDerek"
        }
      ]
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