{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/1305", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 1305, "subject": "Severian's Lies", "messages": 6, "voices": 5, "first": "1998-12-17T08:59:37+00:00", "last": "1998-12-18T22:14:37+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "David_Lebling", "address": "david_lebling at avid.com" }, "date": "1998-12-17T08:59:37+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Severian's Lies", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Another one. After describing his near drowning on the day he rescued\nVodalus, he says \"I never went back\" to the river. Yet a few chapters\nlater, (\"The Last Year\", I think) he describes taking the apprentices down\nto swim in the river, \"though I could never dive in deep water without\nfear.\"\n\n Dave Lebling\n (aka vizcacha)\n (david_lebling at avid.com)" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "m.driussi", "address": "m.driussi at genie.com" }, "date": "1998-12-17T16:25:00+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Severian's Lies", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Viscacha,\n\nYou've missed one already--what are you trying to do, cover for\nSeverian? \n\nOne of Greg Feeley's list of \"Severian's lies\" is in chapter four,\nwhen Valeria mentions the Tower of Torment \"where all who enter die\nin agony.\"\n\nQuote Severian: \"I told her that, at least, was a fable.\"\n\nThen again, Feeley was flexible enough to note that the lie was based\non the technicallity that the torturers themselves entered (and\nexited) on a daily basis without dying in agony. FWIW!\n\n=mantis=" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Kevin J. Maroney", "address": "kmaroney at crossover.com" }, "date": "1998-12-17T14:20:26+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Severian's Lies", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 04:25 PM 12/17/98 GMT, Mantis wrote:\nOne of Greg Feeley's list of \"Severian's lies\" is in chapter four,\nwhen Valeria mentions the Tower of Torment \"where all who enter die\nin agony.\"\n\nQuote Severian: \"I told her that, at least, was a fable.\"\n\nThen again, Feeley was flexible enough to note that the lie was based\non the technicallity that the torturers themselves entered (and\nexited) on a daily basis without dying in agony. FWIW!" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Alternately, doesn't Severian state that occasionally prisoners die of\nnatural causes while awaiting their sentences?\n\nWombat, a.k.a. Kevin Maroney kmaroney at crossover.com\nKitchen Staff Supervisor, New York Review of Science Fiction\nhttp://ebbs.english.vt.edu/olp/nyrsf/nyrsf.html" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Michael Straight", "address": "straight at email.unc.edu" }, "date": "1998-12-17T15:07:19+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Severian's Lies", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 m.driussi at genie.com wrote:\nOne of Greg Feeley's list of \"Severian's lies\" is in chapter four,\nwhen Valeria mentions the Tower of Torment \"where all who enter die\nin agony.\"\n\nQuote Severian: \"I told her that, at least, was a fable.\"\n\nThen again, Feeley was flexible enough to note that the lie was based\non the technicallity that the torturers themselves entered (and\nexited) on a daily basis without dying in agony. FWIW!" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Forgive me if I'm misremembering and the \"Tower of Torment\" refers\nspecifically to the execution wing of the torturer's building, but aren't\nthere a lot of \"clients\" whose sentence includes some form of torture but\nnot death? \n\n-Rostrum" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Derek Bell", "address": "dbell at maths.tcd.ie" }, "date": "1998-12-18T22:08:15+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Severian's Lies", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "In message <199812171401.GAA28091 at lists1.best.com>, David_Lebling at avid.com writ\nes:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Another one. After describing his near drowning on the day he rescued\nVodalus, he says \"I never went back\" to the river. Yet a few chapters\nlater, (\"The Last Year\", I think) he describes taking the apprentices down\nto swim in the river, \"though I could never dive in deep water without\nfear.\"" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "\tI'm not sure if that's a lie or just an inconsistency caused\nby Severian writing at different times. (I think there's a comment by\nSeverian that says that there might be a long time between two words\nin the same sentence being written.)\n\n\tThen again, that comment could be a lie to cover up other\nlies!\n\n\tDerek" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Derek Bell", "address": "dbell at maths.tcd.ie" }, "date": "1998-12-18T22:14:37+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Severian's Lies", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "In message <199812171923.LAA05547 at lists1.best.com>, \"Kevin J. Maroney\" writes:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 04:25 PM 12/17/98 GMT, Mantis wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "One of Greg Feeley's list of \"Severian's lies\" is in chapter four,\nwhen Valeria mentions the Tower of Torment \"where all who enter die\nin agony.\"\n\nQuote Severian: \"I told her that, at least, was a fable.\"\n\nThen again, Feeley was flexible enough to note that the lie was based\non the technicallity that the torturers themselves entered (and\nexited) on a daily basis without dying in agony. FWIW!" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Alternately, doesn't Severian state that occasionally prisoners die of\nnatural causes while awaiting their sentences?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "\tPossibly some forms of suicide could also account for this.[1] (I've\njust had this image of Severian singing the theme from M*A*S*H - I've\na strange sense of humour!)\n\n\tBTW, a quick search has just revealed this URL:\nhttp://www.statslab.cam.ac.uk/~djw1005/Personal/Quotes/newsun.html\n\n\tDerek\n\n[1]I don't know enough about medicine to tell if Thecla's death could\nhave been painless." } ] } ] }