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    "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/1368",
    "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it.  Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.",
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  "archive": "urth",
  "thread": {
    "id": 1368,
    "subject": "Digest urth.v022.n042",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "1999-02-12T12:14:13+00:00",
    "last": "1999-02-17T13:11:52+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0023-0063@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Kieran Mullen",
        "address": "kieran at brigit.nhn.ou.edu"
      },
      "date": "1999-02-12T12:14:13+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Re:  Digest urth.v022.n042",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
      "blocks": [
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Right, there is no proof that Sev1 failed.  But I think there is a\nsense of \"If it ain't broke, don't fix it\"--and since Sev2 has been\nopitimized, then it stands to reason that Sev1 was flawed."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Then again: the influences on Sev2 come from both camps, New Sun and\nEntropy Gang.  So the tampering/tempting isn't one-sided.  Leading us\nback to the belief that Sev1 didn't fail; that his success at the\nTest is what triggered the Entropy Gang to start messing with his\npast; and to counter this the New Sun people began giving little\nassists in his past.  All of which escalation produced a new,\nimproved Severian."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "=mantis="
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "   I get the exact opposite feeling.  After all, they could have gone back\nand rearranged time/history for *any* failed autarch.  I think Sev1\nsucceeded.  Then, since he is the one who will be the New Sun, they went\nback and \"optimized\" things.  \n\n   One could appeal to the old time travel adage about how major points of\nhistory can't be changed, but minor things can. (Or perhaps can and can't\nmight be replaced by should and shouldn't.)\n\n               Kieran Mullen"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0023-0078@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Michael Straight",
        "address": "straight at email.unc.edu"
      },
      "date": "1999-02-17T13:11:52+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) Re:  Digest urth.v022.n042",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0023-0063@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
      "blocks": [
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, Kieran Mullen wrote:\n   I get the exact opposite feeling.  After all, they could have gone back\nand rearranged time/history for *any* failed autarch.  I think Sev1\nsucceeded.  Then, since he is the one who will be the New Sun, they went\nback and \"optimized\" things.  "
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Presumably some Autarchs would have been easier to optimize than others.\nMaybe Sev1 only just barely failed.\n\n-Rostrum"
        }
      ]
    }
  ]
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