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    "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/1391",
    "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it.  Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.",
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  "thread": {
    "id": 1391,
    "subject": "Green <spoiler for _Long Sun_>",
    "messages": 3,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "1999-02-25T10:54:59+00:00",
    "last": "1999-02-25T12:03:18+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0024-0006@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Kevin J. Maroney",
        "address": "kmaroney at crossover.com"
      },
      "date": "1999-02-25T10:54:59+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) Green <spoiler for _Long Sun_>",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
      "blocks": [
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          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "At 09:49 AM 2/25/99 -0000, Kieran wrote:\nAnd links to the BotNS\n(Pas=Typhon, so what?) would be slightly arbitrary if that's all there was\nto it."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Telling us that Pas was Typhon tells us a great deal about exactly what\nkind of man created the Whorl and Mainframe. We don't get a lot of insight\ninto Pas's mentality throughout _Long Sun_, but we don't need to--we've met\nhim already, and he's metaphorically Satan. \n\nKnowing of the evil behind Pas tells us a great deal about the world\nagainst which Silk is striving."
        },
        {
          "kind": "sig",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "   Kevin Maroney | Crossover Technologies \n   kmaroney at crossover.com | (212) 777-1190"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0024-0008@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Jack Lyons",
        "address": "revjack at radix.net"
      },
      "date": "1999-02-25T11:38:52+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) Green <spoiler for _Long Sun_>",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0024-0006@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
      "blocks": [
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "On Thu, 25 Feb 1999, Kevin J. Maroney wrote:\n\n:Telling us that Pas was Typhon tells us a great deal about\n:exactly what kind of man created the Whorl and Mainframe.\n:We don't get a lot of insight into Pas's mentality\n:throughout _Long Sun_, but we don't need to--we've met him\n:already, and he's metaphorically Satan.\n\nTyphon struck me as more of an \"Uebermensch\" (Overman), what\nhappens when a human considers himself without bounds and\nacts thusly. c.f. Hitler, Stalin, etc. Typhon was\nresponsible for too much creation/progress to be Satan,\nmetaphorically or otherwise. "
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0024-0009@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Kevin J. Maroney",
        "address": "kmaroney at crossover.com"
      },
      "date": "1999-02-25T12:03:18+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) Green <spoiler for _Long Sun_>",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0024-0008@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
      "blocks": [
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "At 11:38 AM 2/25/99 -0500, you wrote:\nTyphon struck me as more of an \"Uebermensch\" (Overman), what\nhappens when a human considers himself without bounds and\nacts thusly. c.f. Hitler, Stalin, etc. Typhon was\nresponsible for too much creation/progress to be Satan,\nmetaphorically or otherwise. "
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "This should be moved over to Whorl probably...\n\nIn _The Book of the New Sun_, Severian's meeting with Typhon deliberately\nechos Christ's temptation in the desert (from Luke and Matthew), complete\nwith the three temptations. Severian, being more hands-on than Jesus, does\nmore than order Typhon to get behind him, but it's clear what Typhon is.\n\nIn _The Book of the Long Sun_, the builder of the _Whorl_ is very much like\nthe Demiurge, the false God of This World who tries to distract us from\nworshiping the true God. The Demiurge isn't *exactly* Satan, but he's very\nclose. \n\nNone of what you say is false: Typhon the man is very much like Stalin or\nany other despot, moved to the ultimate degree--remaking mountains in his\nimage, building his own universe of worshippers. But remember that Satan is\nthe Lord of Pride, which Typhon has in abundance. "
        },
        {
          "kind": "sig",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "   Kevin Maroney | Crossover Technologies \n   kmaroney at crossover.com | (212) 777-1190"
        }
      ]
    }
  ]
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