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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 144, "subject": "Digest urth.v003.n013", "messages": 3, "voices": 3, "first": "1997-08-10T14:32:28+00:00", "last": "1997-08-10T22:54:05+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Alice Turner", "address": "al at interport.net" }, "date": "1997-08-10T14:32:28+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Re: Digest urth.v003.n013", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Hmmmm. \n\nmantis, I don't think Cutthroat or the Sleigh-ers are bent on a vegetarian\ndemocracy (yes, I know you were joking, but I'm making a point). When they\nlay taboos/wisdom on the Panigaku, they counsel them to beware of the\nbirds' eggs in the nests that have adapted to the snow-bowed boughs, they\ndon't tell them to stop their traditional hunting. One would assume their\nadvice to the other meat-eaters was similar. Only Cutthroat himself sees\nthe prey animals in human form, and I cannot see dietary habits radically\nchanging. (It's the Panigaku, who do not, so far as I know, attack deer, \nwho are seen walking with \"Lenizee and his wife and child,\" not the\nWiggikki!)\n\nI think this is sort of important, in re your very interesting comparison\nwith creepy technology on Urth. With all our talk of violence on this\nplanet, we've never once addressed the workaday, straightforward butchery,\non a truly large scale, that Silk and the mayteras and other pateras on the\nWhorl engage in. I've certainly thought about it--in a longago post I\nspeculated on the sacrifices as a practical way of getting protein to the\npoor. But it's certainly a point worth making that you (in particular) have\nmade a point of the violence on this planet, comparing it to Lindsay (I do\nnot disagree, though I did defend survival killing), but all of us have\nmore or less cooed over Silk (as opposed to Sevarian), who performs\nlarge-scale butchery routinely. The difference is only in the way the\nauthor describes them. No matter how Ratty may identify in guild-brother\nmode with Silk, I'll bet he'd be rattled at having to take knife in hand\neach Sabbath for such a task.\n\n-alga- " } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Patri10629", "address": "patri10629 at aol.com" }, "date": "1997-08-10T21:14:34+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Re: Digest urth.v003.n013", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Buds,\n\nNothing to add. Just wanted to thank Alga for her concern about my wife. She\nmay or may not contribute to the group. She's all but recovered and I dare\nsay would be as intimidated as I before venturing an addition to the Whorl\ngroup. Don't let this inhibit you in the least! Think on dear Wolfites!\nWolfeans? Wolfers?\n\nbest\n\nPatrick\n\nhomepage:\nhttp://members.aol.com/patri10629/index.html" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Jim Jordan", "address": "jbjordan at gnt.net" }, "date": "1997-08-10T22:54:05+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Re: Digest urth.v003.n013", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Mean Ole Alga writes:\n\n No matter how Ratty may identify in guild-brother" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "mode with Silk, I'll bet he'd be rattled at having to take knife in hand\neach Sabbath for such a task." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "\tSure. I live in the New Covenant, which Silk is bringing. \n\tMaybe there IS a shadow of this transition in \"Tracking Song.\" If Cordo\nSmith had written it, I'd have no doubt, since the same transition is in\n\"Scanners Live in Vain.\" But try this out:\n\tAge of Cold // Old Covenant, with animal sacrifices\n\tAge of Warmth // New Covenant, when these are replaced by bread and wine\n\tTransition = a new sun (Sun)\n\tOld men // priests of Old Covenant\n\tOld men perverted // scribes and pharisees\n\tServants of old men (robots) // levites\n\tNew men (Great Sleight) // new pastors of New Covenant\n\n\tSomeone noted that Cutthroat is creating bonds among these estranged\nunderpeople: Cim with Ketin, the Pammaguka with the Wiggikki toward the\nend, etc. He has ALREADY died and come back to life, and now goes to join\nthe Great Sleight where winged men (angels) are = ascension of Christ? If\nit were 40 days instead of just 19.... (19 from Sufism?)\n\n\tJust some thoughts. As I said, with Smith this would be obvious; with\nWolfe....\n\n\tOh, and Mantis: cold and meat: Cutthroat does remark toward the end that\nhe'd really like some meat and especially some fat.\n\n\tFinally to Mantis: I can't deny some parallels between \"Tracking Song\" and\nSeverian, but I think virtually everything Wolfe wrote before Severian\nfinds its way into Severian (stuff from \"Fifth Head,\" for instance). But\nyou did say that the first draft of Severian had alredy been written. Hmmm.\n\nNutria" } ] } ] }