E&G revisited The Urth list — 1 messages, 1 voices, 01 Apr 1999 https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/1467 Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. ============================================================================== Roy C. Lackey — 01 Apr 1999, 02:35 > > On 3-30-99 Christopher Culver wrote: > > Alice says that Baldanders represents the cacogens, and I must humbly > > disagree. It would seem to me that the cacogens are represented by the two > > demons. In their little lecture to the Autarch, they speak of the new > > continents to be raised by the New Sun, especially of the precious metals > > soon to be exposed. Wolfe, in his role as translator, speculates that it is the possible trade of metals (as well as food and slave labour) which give the cacogens a reason to communicate with Urth. Also, the joy of the demons at the coming of the New Sun is furthermore tied to the Hierodules because, according to "The Key to the Universe" in volume four, the New Sun itself is a tool of the Hieros, used to "shape" humanity. Does this hold water?<< Bolstering your argument: In chapter XLVIII of _Urth_ Sev recalls that scene from the play and writes: "I, who boast of forgetting nothing, had forgotten that it was the demons who had spoken so." Roy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------