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  "thread": {
    "id": 1490,
    "subject": "Digest urth.v025.n001",
    "messages": 1,
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    "first": "1999-04-06T12:51:21+00:00",
    "last": "1999-04-06T12:51:21+00:00"
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    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0025-0013@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Kieran Mullen",
        "address": "kieran at brigit.nhn.ou.edu"
      },
      "date": "1999-04-06T12:51:21+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Re:  Digest urth.v025.n001",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "--------------- MESSAGE urth.v025.n001.7 ---------------"
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          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "From: \"Roy C. Lackey\" <rclackey at stic.net>\nSubject: Ex-lurker\nDate: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 04:02:26 -0500\nContent-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit"
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          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "   As for the logic of what came when; in a circular, time-travel story,\none point on the circumference is about as good as another. If the circle is\nbroken at any point, the whole thing collapses. I don't have a better answer\nthan that; I don't know that there is one. If there is one, it may be\nrelated to Wolfe's views on predestination. I don't know whether or not the\nviews expressed by Silk could be taken as Wolfe's, but on the second page of\nchapter V of _Nightside_ he has Silk thinking:"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "   \"...the Outsider had assured him that his regard for him was eternal and\nperfect, never to be changed by any act of his, no matter how iniquitous or\nhow meritorious.\""
        },
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          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "   Now _that_ is predestination, pure and simple. FWIW"
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          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Roy"
        },
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          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "     No, absolutely not.  That is unconditional love.  It is *not*\npredestination.  \n\n     Predestination would be \"the Outsider had assured him that the future\nwas crystalline, never to be changed by any act of his, no matter how\niniquitous or how meritorious,\"  which Wolfe did not say.\n\n     Universalism (the doctrine or belief that all men will be saved, or\nmade happy, in the future state) is also not considered a form of\npredestination save in a trivial sense.\n\n              Kieran \"not a theologian, but I play one on TV\" Mullen\n\n\n Kieran Mullen                         email: kieran at mail.nhn.ou.edu\n Dept. of Physics and Astronomy        phone: (405) 325-3961\n The University of Oklahoma            FAX: (405) 325-7557\n Norman, OK 73019, USA                 http://www.nhn.ou.edu/~kieran/"
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