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    "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/1527",
    "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it.  Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.",
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  "thread": {
    "id": 1527,
    "subject": "When Did You Last See Your Father?",
    "messages": 3,
    "voices": 3,
    "first": "1999-04-13T06:59:25+00:00",
    "last": "1999-04-13T13:39:29+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0025-0066@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Peter Westlake",
        "address": "peter at harlequin.co.uk"
      },
      "date": "1999-04-13T10:02:52+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) When Did You Last See Your Father?",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
      "blocks": [
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          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "At 00:43 1999-04-09 -0500, Roy C. Lackey wrote:\nOn Thu, 8 Apr 1999 20:06:20 Robert Borski wrote:"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 3,
          "text": "Anybody willing to buy that this may also be symptomatic of morning\nsickness? Severian and Dorcas have been having sex long enough for her to\nbe entering this stage of pregnancy, and it's interesting to note that nine\nor so months later, when Severian sees Dorcas for the last time in Oldgate,\n\"on the floor near her was a basket, not small yet not large either.\" Could\nthis basket perhaps contain a baby?<<"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "   Damn! I just reread the series, noted and wondered about the basket\n(seemingly irrelevant to what was going on; she wasn't on a picnic), then\nforgot it. I think you're right. The idea of morning sickness had also\noccured to me when I read the vomiting scenes. I should have put them\ntogether!"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "And later Roy wrote:\n   Okay, I accept that the woman Sev sees being led away, as Tony Ellis\n(and mantis, in the archives) states, is in the role of the Contessa, but\nwho was she in the \"real\" world, outside the play, on the last day of Urth?\nBoth she and Sev seem to recognize each other. From where, when? If she is\nless than forty years old, as suggested by her desirability, then Sev\ncouldn't have seen her on Urth, because he has been gone that long. Why was\nshe apparently being arrested?"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Maybe she's a little older than that; could she have been born at the\nvery start of Severian's reign, for instance?\n\nSBear.\n\nPeter Westlake, Harlequin Ltd, Barrington Hall, Barrington, Cambs CB2 5RG."
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0025-0068@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Roy C. Lackey",
        "address": "rclackey at stic.net"
      },
      "date": "1999-04-13T06:59:25+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Re: When Did You Last See Your Father?",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0025-0066@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
      "blocks": [
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          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "On Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:02:52 +0100 Peter Westlake wrote:\nMaybe she's a little older than that; could she have been born at the\nvery start of Severian's reign, for instance?<<"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "    Believe me, that occurred to me, but I couldn't reconcile it with the\nwistful, mutual recognition. But if you put it together with Robert Borski's\nidea that she is Catherine, his mother, then it all comes full circle. The\nchild in the basket was his mother. Sev fathered his own mother on his\ngrandmother! He's his own grandpa! Too much!\n\nRoy"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0025-0071@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Kieran Cleary",
        "address": "kierannwn at tinet.ie"
      },
      "date": "1999-04-13T13:39:29+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) Re: When Did You Last See Your Father?",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0025-0068@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
      "blocks": [
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "she is Catherine, his mother, then it all comes full circle. The\nchild in the basket was his mother.<"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "I like that as a possibility, but for this to work, Catherine needs to get\nwhipped back through the corridoors of time in order to meet Oeuen (sp?) so\nthat she can conceive Sev. What's the rationale for this time travelling?\n\nAlso, Sev's mother was supposed to be an exultant Pelerine? Whence the\nexultant genes if her mother was Dorcas and father Sev himself?\n\nKieran\n\nNorth West Labs\nStephen St. Court\nSligo\nRepublic of Ireland\n\nTel. +353 71 69441\nFax. +353 71 69451\nemail: kierannwn at tinet.ie"
        }
      ]
    }
  ]
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