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  "thread": {
    "id": 1569,
    "subject": "The hieros family",
    "messages": 1,
    "voices": 1,
    "first": "1999-04-23T15:07:31+00:00",
    "last": "1999-04-23T15:07:31+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0026-0012@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Jonathan Laidlow",
        "address": "laidlojm at hhs.bham.ac.uk"
      },
      "date": "1999-04-23T15:07:31+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) The hieros family",
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          "text": "Can we make this clear : who is who...\n\nThe Hieros are the long-gone final evolutionary stage of a cognate of \nhumanity.\nThe hierogrammates are their creations\nThe hierodules are the servants of the hierogrammates.\n\nThe purpose of the new sun is to kick start humanity's evolution to \nbecome the Hieros and thus create the hierogrammates.\n\nIn Peter Wright's reading the Christian allusions and resonances are \nred herrings - the hierogrammates are self-serving beings who exploit \nhumanity's use of narratives to structure reality by using our \nmythology to further their own ends. Thus in this very mechanistic \nreading Tzadkiel appears to be an angel because that will push \nSeverian's buttons.\n\nAnd furthermore Severian's memory allows him to be the ultimate \nrepository of these myths, and thus the ultimate tool.\n\nSorry, I just reread Wright's 'God-Games' essay last night, and was \nvery impressed. I can't agree with everything he says - he discounts \nany spiritual link between the hieros family and God.\n\nI'm with Nick Gevers on this - the Increate still works through his \nflawed creation. The Archangel in Melito's story knows no more than \nthe farmyard animals.\nAnd Patera Silk has not been promised help, he is the help.\n\nRambling again,\n\nJonathan\nVisit Ultan's Library - A Gene Wolfe web resource\nhttp://members.tripod.co.uk/laidlow/index.htm\nJonathan Laidlow\nUniversity of Birmingham, UK"
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