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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 1707, "subject": "antechamber antics", "messages": 4, "voices": 3, "first": "1999-07-07T10:58:20+00:00", "last": "1999-07-08T08:14:33+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Michael Andre-Driussi", "address": "mantis at sirius.com" }, "date": "1999-07-07T10:58:20+00:00", "subject": "(urth) antechamber antics", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "On the lighter side (not that things have been very heavy):\n\nItem: in describing the carved mountains of Urth, Severian mentions that\nthey wear diadems, tiaras, and miters. (In the Lexicon I used the last\nitem as an excuse to muse upon the religious angle of the office of\nautarch. Probably a mistake--it might only mean that some autarchs were\nbishops first.)\n\nItem: immediately outside the antechamber, the servers of pastries and\ncoffee wear starched miters (at one level this is a signal that Severian\ncannot recognize artifacts that we can--in this case, the chef's hat).\n\nConclusion: among those frosty mountain faces, the fat and smiling face of\nAutarch (Chef) Boy-ar-dee . . .\n\n(Imagine the last instructions: \"Here, mix my brains with these\nspaghetti-os--a tasty dish, my crowning achievement.\")\n\n\nOn the murky side (as if--never mind!):\n\nRemember how Uncle Gene says in CASTLE OF THE OTTER (eaten by CASTLE OF\nDAYS) that the enamel of the pictures in the religious book link to the\nenamel work sold by Dorcas and done by her nameless husband? And how Uncle\nGene would let us work out the rest?\n\nWell then, add to the \"enamel\" file the fact that the symbols on the panel\nin the presence chamber are enamel.\n\n=mantis=" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Mark Millman", "address": "mark_millman at hmco.com" }, "date": "1999-07-07T14:17:41+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) antechamber antics", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wednesday 7 July 1999, mantis wrote:\nOn the murky side (as if--never mind!):\n\nRemember how Uncle Gene says in\nCASTLE OF THE OTTER (eaten by\nCASTLE OF DAYS) that the enamel\nof the pictures in the religious book\nlink to the enamel work sold by\nDorcas and done by her nameless\nhusband? And how Uncle Gene\nwould let us work out the rest?\n\nWell then, add to the \"enamel\" file the\nfact that the symbols on the panel in\nthe presence chamber are enamel." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "O prophetic cousin bug, are you trying\nto tell us that \"Charon\" is Fechin?\n\nMark Millman" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Roy C. Lackey", "address": "rclackey at stic.net" }, "date": "1999-07-08T06:52:14+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Re:antechamber antics", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "mantis wrote:\nOn the murky side (as if--never mind!):" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Remember how Uncle Gene says in CASTLE OF THE OTTER (eaten by CASTLE OF\nDAYS) that the enamel of the pictures in the religious book link to the\nenamel work sold by Dorcas and done by her nameless husband? And how Uncle\nGene would let us work out the rest?<<\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n Are you sure about that source? I don't find it in OTTER, but I do find\nwhat you posted Feb. 27, 1997 to the whorl list:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Gene Wolfe's lure (plea?) for Oracular Reading (that is, a reading\nmore mantic than mantic):" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "\"It seems to me that we can reasonably make two assumptions about\nthese four books. The first is that they are books Thecla might\nreasonably ask to borrow, and the second is that they all must have\nsomething to do with Severian. Note, for example, that the pictures\nin the book of devotions are enameled and that Severian will soon\nencounter Dorcas; Dorcas comes from a family once engaged in the\nmanufacture of cloisonne, and she once lived in a shop where it was\nsold. Cloisonne is a colored decoration of enamels. In the rest of\nthis essay, however, I will concentrate on the first assumption, not\nwishing to deprive you of the legitimate pleasure of deducting the\nconnections\" (Gene Wolfe, PLAN[E]T ENGINEERING, NESFA Press, p. 9).\n\n-------------------=mantis= <<\n\n---------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n Also, the cloisonne-work was not made by Dorcas's husband. He just\nlugged it to the shop and put it on the shelves. Her father and brother made\nit. (I, XXII)\n\nRoy" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Mark Millman", "address": "mark_millman at hmco.com" }, "date": "1999-07-08T08:14:33+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Re:antechamber antics", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thursday 8 July 1999 at 11:52 am GMT,\nRoy C. Lackey wrote:\nmantis wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On the murky side (as if--never mind!):\n\nRemember how Uncle Gene says in CASTLE\nOF THE OTTER (eaten by CASTLE OF DAYS)\nthat the enamel of the pictures in the religious\nbook link to the enamel work sold by Dorcas\nand done by her nameless husband? And how\nUncle Gene would let us work out the rest?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n Are you sure about that source? I don't find it in\nOTTER, but I do find what you posted Feb. 27, 1997\nto the whorl list:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Gene Wolfe's lure (plea?) for Oracular Reading\n(that is, a reading more mantic than mantic):\n\n\"It seems to me that we can reasonably make two\nassumptions about these four books. The first is\nthat they are books Thecla might reasonably ask\nto borrow, and the second is that they all must have\nsomething to do with Severian. Note, for example,\nthat the pictures in the book of devotions are\nenameled and that Severian will soon encounter\nDorcas; Dorcas comes from a family once en-\ngaged in the manufacture of cloisonne, and she\nonce lived in a shop where it was sold. Cloisonne\nis a colored decoration of enamels. In the rest of\nthis essay, however, I will concentrate on the first\nassumption, not wishing to deprive you of the\nlegitimate pleasure of deducting the connections\"\n(Gene Wolfe, PLAN[E]T ENGINEERING, NESFA\nPress, p. 9).\n\n-------------------=mantis=" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "---------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n Also, the cloisonne-work was not made by Dor-\ncas's husband. He just lugged it to the shop and\nput it on the shelves. Her father and brother made\nit. (I, XXII)\n\nRoy" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Ehrm, right. Thank you, Roy. Please revise my\nlast to read, \" . . . Fechin's brother- or son-in-law?\"\n\nHmm. Not nearly as good this way, I think. But\nat least it does preserve Fechin's complete lack\nof personal appearance in the text.\n\nMark Millman" } ] } ] }