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  "thread": {
    "id": 1716,
    "subject": "Trumpets",
    "messages": 1,
    "voices": 1,
    "first": "1999-07-20T09:56:48+00:00",
    "last": "1999-07-20T09:56:48+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0028-0008@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Roy C. Lackey",
        "address": "rclackey at stic.net"
      },
      "date": "1999-07-20T09:56:48+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Trumpets",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "    I would like to say thank you to those who have responded kindly to my\nflowers post. I wrote it a few weeks ago and only posted it because Robert\nBorski bullied me into it. And MA-D is right; there is little incentive to\nwrite such pieces, and I didn't put the effort into it that I could have.\nBut, having done so, it gives me a greater appreciation for such efforts,\nlike William Ansley's Oz/Eyeflash posts."
        },
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          "text": "Tony Ellis wrote:\nI hadn't even finished it when I started thinking of the \"sprawling\nangel's trumpets\" which are the very last words of The Fifth Head of\nCerberus. They work on various levels, of course, including a\nsymbolic link to the silver trumpet vine of the opening paragraphs,\nbut now I'm curious as to what (if any) meaning they have in florigraphy."
        },
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          "depth": 1,
          "text": "What do you sources say, Roy?"
        },
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          "text": "    This was (is) harder than I thought, and I only have a partial answer.\nTrumpet vine is the same as trumpet creeper. The trumpet creeper is of the\ngenus Campsis, species Campsis radicans, of the Bignonia family\nBignoniaceae. The problem is, the trumpet-shaped flowers range from\nyellowish-orange to red. Silver, when used in a plant name, usually means\nwhite. The bignonias include shrubs, vines, and trees. This latter may be\nimportant, because David is said to \"snap off branches\" to make a crude\npan-pipe. There is a trumpet tree, which has hollow branches used to make\nwind instruments.\n\n    We know that Wolfe has (or had) the cumbersome two-volume compact\nedition of the OED, as do I. Among the dreadful fine print of usages under\n\"trumpet\" is the following:  \"The White Queen [narcissus], a novelty with\nwhite perianth and trumpet of pale chrome.\" (brackets _not_ mine) Chrome can\nbe said to be silver in color, and the \"White Queen\" name, when coupled with\nNumber Five's remarks about the black and white queens, linked to the\nnarcissus, which means \"egotism; self love\", seems to fit the theme of 5HC\ntoo nicely to be an accident.\n\n    The angel's trumpet is easier. It is of the genus Datura, species Datura\nInnoxia, of the nightshade family, Solanaceae. The Datura is a group of\npoisonous shrubs and trees, which include the jimson weed, angel's trumpet,\nand the English thornapple. In the language of flowers the thornapple means\n\"deceitful charms\".\n\nRoy"
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