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  "thread": {
    "id": 183,
    "subject": "Chin gesture of TS",
    "messages": 1,
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    "first": "1997-08-27T19:18:00+00:00",
    "last": "1997-08-27T19:18:00+00:00"
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    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0004-0273@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "m.driussi",
        "address": "m.driussi at genie.com"
      },
      "date": "1997-08-27T19:18:00+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Chin gesture of TS",
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          "text": "Reply:  Item #6846283 from URTH at LISTS.BEST.COM@INET02#\n\nRon Crown,\n\nI kept meaning to bring up that \"touching one's chin\" gesture since\nit is repeated, it seems to be a culture clue, and it seems somewhat\nfamiliar--maybe ancient Greek?  Yet there's a tricky one to research\nwithout even the culture as a given!\n\nRe: hidden/cryptic origins of Cutthroat.  If this were a story by\nJohn Crowley, we'd see the androgynous amnesiatic offworlder emerge\nfrom the crashed silver sphere craft (THE DEEP); if this were a story\nby Le Guin we'd see those Evil Others nuke the heroic anthropologist's\nstarship (and buddies!) on page one (ROCANNON'S WORLD).\n\nBut Wolfe is very often quite secretive about origins, as we all know\nand appreciate.\n\nIn addition there are multiple layers.  For example, take BEOWULF.  At\nthe heroic level, it is the story of heroic guy fighting increasingly big\nmonsters.  This is the surface level.  And yeah, if you want you can\npile on all sorts of Christian or pre-Christian stuff for a religious\nreading--it has been read that way, too.  But at another level, beowulf\nmeans \"bee wolf,\" which refers to the animal we call \"bear\"; and at this\nlevel of submerged or overwritten animal fable, the dragon's gold is\nseen to be honey, \"going into caves and dying\" becomes hibernation during\nthe winter, etc.  Which leads to all sorts of ancient bear cult stuff\nthat I personally like a lot, and a level I think that Wolfe taps\ninto overtly in some stories and some passages (corridors of time\nepisodes).\n\nBut anyway!\n\n=mantis="
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