{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/1868", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 1868, "subject": "NORTH/SOUTH", "messages": 6, "voices": 5, "first": "1999-10-27T15:28:54+00:00", "last": "1999-10-28T11:07:25+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Urash, Tom", "address": "turash at firstam.com" }, "date": "1999-10-27T15:28:54+00:00", "subject": "(urth) NORTH/SOUTH", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Jim Jordan wrote:\n\n\"My own thinking started by noticing that Blind Ultan is Borges...\"\n\nThat's brilliant! My love and admiration for BONS has just gone up another\nlevel. Borges as old Ultan - I can only grin like an idiot and shake my\nhead. Thanks, Jim.\n\nTom Urash" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Alex David Groce", "address": "alex_groce at gs246.sp.cs.cmu.edu" }, "date": "1999-10-27T17:04:02+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) NORTH/SOUTH", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "And someone (I forget who) on here has pointed out that Cyby is described\nas roughly what Wolfe might have looked at when he wrote BOTNS, so we have\nWolfe as the humble apprentice to the master of the archives.\n\n\n\"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.\" John 8:32" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Alex David Groce (agroce+ at cs.cmu.edu)\nPh.D. Student, Carnegie Mellon University - Computer Science Department\n8112 Wean Hall (412)-268-3066\nhttp://www.cs.cmu.edu/~agroce" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Greene, Carlton", "address": "cgreene2 at hunton.com" }, "date": "1999-10-27T17:16:22+00:00", "subject": "RE: (urth) NORTH/SOUTH", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Jim Jordan wrote: " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "<<\"My own thinking started by noticing that Blind Ultan is Borges...\" >>\n\nTom Urash wrote:\n\n<>\n\nJim, can you give some support for the assertion that Ultan is Borges?\nHaven't read the passage in some time, but Im a big Borges fan (it was\nWolfe's resemblence to Borges that got me interested in TBOTNS) and would\nlove to see the connection.\n\nCarlton" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Jim Jordan", "address": "jbjordan at gnt.net" }, "date": "1999-10-27T16:51:41+00:00", "subject": "RE: (urth) NORTH/SOUTH", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 05:16 PM 10/27/99 -0400, you wrote:\n\nJim, can you give some support for the assertion that Ultan is Borges?\nHaven't read the passage in some time, but Im a big Borges fan (it was\nWolfe's resemblence to Borges that got me interested in TBOTNS) and would\nlove to see the connection.\n\nCarlton" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Well, I'd read Eco first, so I was set up for it.\n\tHe's a librarian.\n\tHe's blind.\n\tOne of the books contains all books, Borges's Aleph.\n\tThe city is Buenos Aires.\n\njbjordan" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Greene, Carlton", "address": "cgreene2 at hunton.com" }, "date": "1999-10-27T18:04:06+00:00", "subject": "RE: (urth) NORTH/SOUTH", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I wrote:\n\nJim, can you give some support for the assertion that Ultan is Borges?\nHaven't read the passage in some time, but Im a big Borges fan (it was\nWolfe's resemblence to Borges that got me interested in TBOTNS) and would\nlove to see the connection.\n\nCarlton" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Jim wrote:\n\n<>" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Good food for thought there, and thank you.\n\nCarlton" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "works" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Matthew Malthouse", "address": "matthew.malthouse at guardian.co.uk" }, "date": "1999-10-28T11:07:25+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) NORTH/SOUTH", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "\"Urash, Tom\" wrote:\n\nJim Jordan wrote:\n\n\"My own thinking started by noticing that Blind Ultan is\nBorges...\"\n\nThat's brilliant! My love and admiration for BONS has just gone up\nanother level. Borges as old Ultan - I can only grin like an idiot\nand shake my head. Thanks, Jim." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " Reading this I was suddenly struck by the posibility of hubris on\nWolfe's part.\n\n Sure, Cyby as apprentice to Ultan; Ultan knowing exactly where to\nlay hands on so many books, and knows much of their contents: so\nlearned, so wise. Wolfe (as Cyby) figuratively sitting at the feet\nof Borges (as Ultan).\n\n But Cyby still has eyes to read, and learn and grow. And any\napprentice can hope to inherit the master's mantle....\n\nMatthew" } ] } ] }