{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/1876", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 1876, "subject": "Digest urth.v028.n066", "messages": 2, "voices": 2, "first": "1999-10-28T00:24:34+00:00", "last": "1999-10-28T01:59:25+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Patri10629", "address": "patri10629 at aol.com" }, "date": "1999-10-28T01:59:25+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Re: Digest urth.v028.n066", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "In a message dated 10/27/99 7:43:15 PM, urth-errors at lists.best.com writes:\n\n<< Well, I'm sort of astonished that there's so much interest in this subject,\nbut it's a kick, too. I'll add a couple of thoughts. I mentioned -Catch-22-\nas \"pop modernism.\" I'd like to add to that category the oeuvres of Kurt\nVonnegut and Philip K. Dick. Vonnegut was an interesting writer, early on.\nHe's become a lazy hack, and I think it's great that he's announced his\n\"retirement,\" since I don't want to read any more of his books. Dick was a\nhack too, but I think he could be counted among the more interesting pop\nmodernists. I confess that I never could read much of him either. (One of\nthe conditions for joining the club seems to be relative unreadability.) His\npost-mortem elevation is certainly a phenomenon." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Dear Alga et all,\n\nSpeaking of being astonished by the interest in certain subjects...Let me \nhonest.\nNo, let me be real honest. Who fuck cares which hemisphere it was, and where \ntrue north was, and please god please can we just drop it?\n\nAnd let me be frank. No, really frank. Read TIMEQUAKE. Read THE THREE \nSTIGMATA OF PALMER ELDRITCH and Look me in the eye and tell me that's \nhackwork and I'll buy you a beer.\n\nOn a calmer note. Rave on Lupes:)\n\nPatrick O'Leary" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "William H. Ansley", "address": "wansley at warwick.net" }, "date": "1999-10-28T00:24:34+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Re: Digest urth.v028.n066", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Patri10629 at aol.com wrote:\nAnd let me be frank. No, really frank." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Hi, Frank.\n\nI don't know from modernism and while I have found this discussion (mostly)\ninteresting so far I have been content to let it wash over me without\nparticipating. But I, too, want to put in a word for Philip K. Dick.\n\nHe certainly was a hack, but he was a great writer, too. One of the things\nthat sets him apart for me is that although his protagonists are almost\nalways people who would be labeled \"losers\" (at least in American society)\nit is obvious that Dick deeply *cares* about these people and he makes you\ncare, too.\n\nThe only trace of PKD I have ever found in Wolfe (and it may be\ncoincidental, although at least one other person in this group has\ncommented on it) is in _There Are Doors_. The last few paragraphs, in\nparticular, have always evoked PKD's SF to me.\n\nHas anyone here ever read any of PKD's nonSF? I have always meant to, but\nnever gotten around to it.\n\nWilliam Ansley" } ] } ] }