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  "thread": {
    "id": 1925,
    "subject": "Wolfe as Cyby",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "1999-11-05T17:16:32+00:00",
    "last": "1999-11-05T22:30:00+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0028-0395@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Robert Borski",
        "address": "rborski at coredcs.com"
      },
      "date": "1999-11-05T17:16:32+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Re: Wolfe as Cyby",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "<And someone (I forget who) on here has pointed out that Cyby is described\nas roughly what Wolfe might have looked at when he wrote BOTNS, so we have\nWolfe as the humble apprentice to the master of the archives.>\n\nMeant to cover this the first time it came up.\n\nWolfe as Cyby is an interesting notion, with a fair amount of resonance\ngiven the Borges-Ultan connection.\n\nBut I don't think it's right.\n\nRather, I think Wolfe first makes his cameo in SHADOW, then reprises it in\nCITADEL. But only in the latter does Severian provide the essential\nphysical description:\n\n\"I never really looked at him on that afternoon when he had carried in a\ntray for Dorcas, Agia, and me. I did so now. He was a balding man about as\ntall as Drotte, thin and somehow pinched; his eyes were deep blue, and\nthere was a delicacy to the molding of his eyes and mouth I recognized at\nonce.\" (303)\n\nThe mystery figure here, of course, is Ouen, Severian's father. Other than\nthe thinness, I believe it still describes how GW looks.\n\nMoreover, as I've pointed out before (and as alga subsequently documented),\nthe name Ouen is the Welsh form of Eugene.\n\nOuen as Gene Wolfe--the father of Severian. But then we've always known\nthat, haven't we?\n\nRobert Borski"
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    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0028-0397@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Jim Henley",
        "address": "jlhenley at erols.com"
      },
      "date": "1999-11-05T22:30:00+00:00",
      "subject": "RE: (urth) Re: Wolfe as Cyby",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0028-0395@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "-----Original Message-----\nFrom: urth-errors at lists.best.com [mailto:urth-errors at lists.best.com]On\nBehalf Of Robert Borski\n\nThe mystery figure here, of course, is Ouen, Severian's father.\nOther than the thinness, I believe it still describes how GW looks."
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          "text": "That's sort of saying \"other than the blood\" when comparing something to\nthe Battle of Antietam . . .\n\n<gdr>\n\n\nJim\n *****************************************\n\"It ain't the knife thru your heart that tears you apart\n  it's just the thought of someone sticking it in\"\n              -- Graham Parker, \"Protection\""
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