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  "thread": {
    "id": 1933,
    "subject": "Digest urth.v028.n080",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "1999-11-07T09:55:48+00:00",
    "last": "1999-11-07T14:48:16+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0028-0413@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Alice Turner",
        "address": "akt at attglobal.net"
      },
      "date": "1999-11-07T09:55:48+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Re: Digest urth.v028.n080",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Nick Gevers said:"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Various points raised by Kevin Maroney and alga:\n\n1) On Clute: it's true that Clute's contortions of\nstyle can hinder accessibility of his mass-audience\nreviews for that audience; but I think this misses the\npoint of why SF WEEKLY, Dorling Kindersley, and others\nsimilarly commercial have employed Clute to produce\nmaterial for them. It's because of his style, which,\nfor whatever reasons, has won him a wider popularity.\nMaybe his critical poetry strikes chords in unexpected\nplaces; but he is very widely read, and not because he\ndumbs down his prose."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Yes, Nick, but you missed my point, and that of others. It is when Clute\ndumbs down his prose that he is readable and useful. What we are all\nobjecting to is the absurd high-falutin'ness of his prose in this review,\nthe clog of academe."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "3) David Hartwell's role in persuading GW to produce\nUOTNS: as he is Wolfe's long-time editor, couldn't we\nsee Hartwell as a sort of Hierogrammate, patiently\nrecording the rescripts of the Increate? And sometimes\nprompting them?"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Well, I like that!\n\n-alga"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0028-0417@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Kevin J. Maroney",
        "address": "kmaroney at crossover.com"
      },
      "date": "1999-11-07T14:48:16+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) Re: Digest urth.v028.n080",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0028-0413@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
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          "depth": 1,
          "text": "At 09:55 AM 11/7/99 -0500, alga wrote:\nYes, Nick, but you missed my point, and that of others. It is when Clute\ndumbs down his prose that he is readable and useful. What we are all\nobjecting to is the absurd high-falutin'ness of his prose in this review,\nthe clog of academe."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "I would say that Clute sometimes lets his joy of language get in the way of\nhis communication. Fortunately, this is only an occasional lapse. \n\nIt is almost always possible to explain even a very complex idea very\nsimply; sometimes it takes a great deal of effort to do so. (There's a joke\nwandering around to the effect of: \n\nAnd Jesus asked them, \"And who is it that you say that I am?\"\nAnd the Apostles answered, \"You are the kergyma of our metaphyisical\ngrounding.\"\nAnd Jesus said, \"Say what?\"\n\nthat I think could apply to Clute's writing sometimes.)\n\n\nWombat, a.k.a. Kevin Maroney kmaroney at crossover.com\nKitchen Staff Supervisor, New York Review of Science Fiction\nhttp://ebbs.english.vt.edu/olp/nyrsf/nyrsf.html"
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