Digest urth.v004.n015 The Urth list — 2 messages, 2 voices, 02 Sep 1997 https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/196 Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. ============================================================================== Kevin McGuire — 02 Sep 1997, 18:47 > Thanks for your offer to look up names, but I don't think the Abenakis, a > Maine Algonkian tribe, will be much use. I don't think the names are > Algonkian any more. Or Iroquois. Or Sioux. Sigh. Give it a whirl, though. > Moose (or elk)=Nashwonk; > deer (or antelope)=Lenizee; wolf=Wiggikku; pig (boar)=Panagiku; lion=Ketin. Well, no dice. I checked Vol. 1 of the Western Abenaki Dictionary, by Dr. Gordon Day, and given your caveat about the spellings looked as widely as I could, but nothing seemed to correspond - some of the combinations don't even seem to be sounds that the Western Abenaki used with any frequency. The closest match was wigkannid "the one who likes to travel" and perhaps wigkikan "liking to plant, sow" - but I think you would be hard pressed to make these work. Cheers, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Alice Turner — 02 Sep 1997, 21:42 follows, by subject match Kevin McGuire > mantis, did you say that Severian is referred to as a "cutthroat"? Do > you have a reference? I mention it because something else my reference > source tells me is that one name given to the Sioux (by the Chippewa) > means "roasters" "from their custom of torturing foes." Two other names > given them by the Comanche and Yakima tribes respectively both mean > "beheaders." Ron, check Urth (5) p 314-315 (hardcover, 1987, well after TS---impossible not to believe it's a deliberate, if glancing, reference: the word is not all that common). -alga- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------