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  "thread": {
    "id": 1964,
    "subject": "Handle this, Messiah.",
    "messages": 1,
    "voices": 1,
    "first": "1999-11-19T13:26:39+00:00",
    "last": "1999-11-19T13:26:39+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0028-0475@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Tony Ellis",
        "address": "tony.ellis at futurenet.co.uk"
      },
      "date": "1999-11-19T13:26:39+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Handle this, Messiah.",
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          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Roy C. Lackey wrote:\nIn the Christian tradition Jesus suffered and died to save mankind. Severian\nthe messiah destroyed mankind, then got to go sit on the beach drinking\nmargaritas and watching the girls go by, writing his memoirs and basking in\nhis new-found godhead. I just don't see any meaningful comparison, in or out\nof a religious context."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "\"The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which\nis poured out without mixture into the cup of his\nindignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and\nbrimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the\npresence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment\nascendeth up for ever and ever.\" Revelation 14:10-11.\n\nAlex David Groce wrote:\n<snip\n    an awful lot\n/snip>"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "When he writes that he lies to himself, the reader is given\nwarning that all that he relates cannot be trusted to be true..."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "This is true, but I think it's just about as true of David Copperfield,\nIshmael, the nameless narrator of THE BROTHER KARAMAZOV, the old \"authorial\npersona as narrator,\" and Huckleberry Finn as it is of Severian."
        },
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          "kind": "text",
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          "text": "And Pip, and Holden Caulfield, and Graves' Claudius, and...\nYes. We take it as read, surely, that whatever a\nfirst-person narrator tells us is filtered through his own\nperceptions and predjudices. It's a game the author plays\nwith the reader.\n\nIf this is all you mean by Severian \"lying to us\", then I\nsay again, I'm on your side, Roy. But that's not what I\npersonally would call it, and I don't understand why you're\nsingling-out Severian for something every first-person\nnarrator does."
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