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  "thread": {
    "id": 1995,
    "subject": "Black Holes, Black Chasms, and Einstein-Rosenburg Bridges",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "1999-12-01T14:03:35+00:00",
    "last": "1999-12-01T14:50:49+00:00"
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    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0028-0559@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Greene, Carlton",
        "address": "cgreene2 at hunton.com"
      },
      "date": "1999-12-01T14:03:35+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Black Holes, Black Chasms, and Einstein-Rosenburg Bridges",
      "in_reply_to": null,
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          "text": "Rostrum wrote:\n\n<<Does Apheta or anyone else use the words \"black hole\" to describe the\nother end of the White Fountain or the thing eating away at the sun?\n\nPerhaps there is some other phenomenon, unknown to 20th century\nastronomers because it doesn't emit jets of x-rays, that is not a black\nhole but is a rift between universes where energy is sucked out of one\nuniverse and emerges as a White Fountain in the other.>>\n\nAlthough I do not have my books at hand, I recall that someone refers to the\n\"black chasm\" at the heart of the sun, and that there were other, similar\nreferences.  Sounds pretty close to \"black hole\" to me.\n\nOne possibility is an Einstein-Rosenburg bridge.  These scientists theorized\nthat a black hole with a ring (rather than point) singularity could have at\nits center a tube of bent space time that would pass \"elsewhere.\"  Still,\nall of Wolfe's imagery goes along with the black hole concept.  In\nparticular, there was a popular theory (which may well have been discredited\nby now) that quasars, with their enourmous energy output and unknown\ngenesis, were the outpourings of black holes in other universes.  This\ntheory seems to fit well with Wolfe's conception.\n\nCarlton"
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    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0028-0561@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Michael Straight",
        "address": "straight at email.unc.edu"
      },
      "date": "1999-12-01T14:50:49+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) Black Holes, Black Chasms, and Einstein-Rosenburg Bridges",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0028-0559@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Greene, Carlton wrote:\n<<Does Apheta or anyone else use the words \"black hole\" to describe the\nother end of the White Fountain or the thing eating away at the sun?\n\nPerhaps there is some other phenomenon, unknown to 20th century\nastronomers because it doesn't emit jets of x-rays, that is not a black\nhole but is a rift between universes where energy is sucked out of one\nuniverse and emerges as a White Fountain in the other.>>\n\nAlthough I do not have my books at hand, I recall that someone refers to the\n\"black chasm\" at the heart of the sun, and that there were other, similar\nreferences.  Sounds pretty close to \"black hole\" to me."
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          "text": "Well sure, but my point is that, just as the dying sun initially looks\nlike it's dying of old age but is actually being prematurely sabotaged,\nthis opposite end of a white fountain would suck everything up very much\nlike a black hole, but instead of the energy being emitted in this\nuniverse as X-rays, it is actually a wormhole spewing energy into another\nuniverse.  It might be confused with black holes, but would be a different\nastronmical phenomenon (as would be appararent to any astronomer looking\nfor X-rays).\n\n-Rostrum"
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