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  "thread": {
    "id": 2097,
    "subject": "Digest urth.v028.n135",
    "messages": 2,
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    "first": "2000-01-27T22:19:28+00:00",
    "last": "2000-01-28T12:34:53+00:00"
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    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0028-0740@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Richard Horton",
        "address": "rrhorton at prodigy.net"
      },
      "date": "2000-01-27T22:19:28+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Re: Digest urth.v028.n135",
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          "text": "On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 12:10:32 -0800 (PST), you wrote:\nIn\nfact, I always thought some of the criticism of Wolfe here was misplaced--\nif you want to attack Wolfe for being misogynistic, it's not in the possible\nsympathy of the narrative for Emery's way of seeing things, but in the author's\nconstruction of Jan."
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          "text": "another writer often accused of misogyny is Kingsley Amis, and I read\nhis novel _The Russian Girl_ at about the same time I read \"The\nZiggurat\".  It struck me that the portrayal of the wives in the two\nstories was striking: both are portrayed as quite thoroughly vicious.\n\n(The Amis thing is complicated by reading about Amis' feelings about\nhis second wife, writer Elizabeth Jane Howard, though.)"
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          "text": "Rich Horton | Stable Email: mailto://richard.horton at sff.net\nHome Page: http://www.sff.net/people/richard.horton\nAlso visit SF Site (http://www.sfsite.com) and Tangent Online (http://www.sfsite.com/tangent)"
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    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0028-0744@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Alex David Groce",
        "address": "alex_groce at gs246.sp.cs.cmu.edu"
      },
      "date": "2000-01-28T12:34:53+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) Re: Digest urth.v028.n135",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0028-0740@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "Ah, but it's always been my opinion (and I'm fairly sure I've read somewhere\nan essay by someone agreeing with it) that Amis, while falsely accused of\n\"sexism,\" could be quite rightly accused of misogyny.  Amis didn't think\nwomen were -inferior-, he just didn't seem to much like them (not in the\nsense of being homosexual, just in the sense of actively disliking the way\nhe thought women saw the world and acted in it).\n\nI don't think this is true of Wolfe (who seems to have gotten on with the\nwomen in his life somewhat better than Amis, as well), but both share the \nsometimes controversial perception that women and men, in general, have some\nvery different ways of seeing and doing things--and not in a trite, \"Mars\nand Venus,\" sense of this either.\n\n\n\"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.\" John 8:32"
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          "text": "Alex David Groce (agroce+ at cs.cmu.edu)\nPh.D. Student, Carnegie Mellon University - Computer Science Department\n8112 Wean Hall (412)-268-3066\nhttp://www.cs.cmu.edu/~agroce"
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