# Digest urth.v028.n135 *The Urth list — 2 messages, 2 voices, 27 Jan 2000* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### Richard Horton *27 Jan 2000, 22:19* > On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 12:10:32 -0800 (PST), you wrote: > In > fact, I always thought some of the criticism of Wolfe here was misplaced-- > if you want to attack Wolfe for being misogynistic, it's not in the possible > sympathy of the narrative for Emery's way of seeing things, but in the author's > construction of Jan. another writer often accused of misogyny is Kingsley Amis, and I read his novel _The Russian Girl_ at about the same time I read "The Ziggurat". It struck me that the portrayal of the wives in the two stories was striking: both are portrayed as quite thoroughly vicious. (The Amis thing is complicated by reading about Amis' feelings about his second wife, writer Elizabeth Jane Howard, though.) ``` Rich Horton | Stable Email: mailto://richard.horton at sff.net Home Page: http://www.sff.net/people/richard.horton Also visit SF Site (http://www.sfsite.com) and Tangent Online (http://www.sfsite.com/tangent) ``` --- ### Alex David Groce *28 Jan 2000, 12:34 · follows Richard Horton* Ah, but it's always been my opinion (and I'm fairly sure I've read somewhere an essay by someone agreeing with it) that Amis, while falsely accused of "sexism," could be quite rightly accused of misogyny. Amis didn't think women were -inferior-, he just didn't seem to much like them (not in the sense of being homosexual, just in the sense of actively disliking the way he thought women saw the world and acted in it). I don't think this is true of Wolfe (who seems to have gotten on with the women in his life somewhat better than Amis, as well), but both share the sometimes controversial perception that women and men, in general, have some very different ways of seeing and doing things--and not in a trite, "Mars and Venus," sense of this either. "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." John 8:32 ``` Alex David Groce (agroce+ at cs.cmu.edu) Ph.D. Student, Carnegie Mellon University - Computer Science Department 8112 Wean Hall (412)-268-3066 http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~agroce ``` ---