The Ziggurat in context The Urth list — 2 messages, 2 voices, 31 Jan 2000 https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/2105 Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. ============================================================================== Nicholas Gevers — 31 Jan 2000, 12:34 Nutria, I'm afraid I'll have to delay my detailed take on "The Ziggurat" until I've finished another, rather vexatious critical chore; but you're quite right that my ST review will only appear in print some time off (in FOUNDATION), so here's a general comment. It seems to me that the stories in ST were selected with a theme in common, that of escape. The world must be escaped or transcended; but the escape routes are many, and only one (the route to Heaven) is a true path. The rest are snares, roads to damnation and disaster. Emory's route is one such: self-indulgence, an impulse to dominate. It may make him feel in charge of his destiny for a while, but read in comparison with the trends of the other stories, it won't lead anywhere good. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Jordan — 31 Jan 2000, 16:22 follows, by subject match Nicholas Gevers > At 12:34 PM 1/31/00 -0800, you wrote: > Nutria, I'm afraid I'll have to delay my detailed take > on "The Ziggurat" until I've finished another, rather > vexatious critical chore; but you're quite right that > my ST review will only appear in print some time off > (in FOUNDATION), so here's a general comment. It seems > to me that the stories in ST were selected with a > theme in common, that of escape. The world must be > escaped or transcended; but the escape routes are > many, and only one (the route to Heaven) is a true > path. The rest are snares, roads to damnation and > disaster. Emory's route is one such: self-indulgence, > an impulse to dominate. It may make him feel in charge > of his destiny for a while, but read in comparison > with the trends of the other stories, it won't lead > anywhere good. Mebbe. I'll need more to be convinced. I accept your overall assessment of the book as a collection. Maybe I should take the link between "taming" and "Tamar" more negatively, as a further example of male chauvinism instead of as a step in the right direction. Hmmm. That would not push me into any of the extremely negative interpretations we've discussed here, but would indicate a sadder ending than I'd originally read. Any thots, Alga? Nutria ------------------------------------------------------------------------------