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  "thread": {
    "id": 2130,
    "subject": "The ambiguous Ziggurat",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2000-02-10T21:40:54+00:00",
    "last": "2000-02-11T10:28:37+00:00"
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    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0028-0799@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Nicholas Gevers",
        "address": "vermoulian at yahoo.com"
      },
      "date": "2000-02-10T21:40:54+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) The ambiguous Ziggurat",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "Thanks to Nutria for his several comments and\nresponses on ST. But to Nutria and others: please call\nme Nick, or Nick Gevers; being called \"Gevers\" makes\nme uneasy...\n\nI think the view of the traffic jam as purgatory is\ninteresting; but Nutria, how does Aldo fit into this\nscheme? Could you elaborate?\n\nOn \"The Ziggurat\": I don't agree with you here,\nNutria; I think Wolfe himself intended the Maximum\nDelusion theory to be prominent in people's minds: why\nelse does he leave so many suggestions of delusion and\nabuse?"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0028-0800@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Jim Jordan",
        "address": "jbjordan at gnt.net"
      },
      "date": "2000-02-11T10:28:37+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) The ambiguous Ziggurat",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0028-0799@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "At 09:40 PM 2/10/00 -0800, Nicque wrote:\nI think the view of the traffic jam as purgatory is\ninteresting; but Nutria, how does Aldo fit into this\nscheme? Could you elaborate?"
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          "text": "\tHmmm. Good question. I was just bringing in a global view of Wolfe as\ndevout RC and the purgatory theme in *peace* along with what seems to be\nthe drift of the Sandman story. I need to re-read, and think about the\npeople who have \"died\" in the jam (which would mean they've moved on to\nheaven), or who have disappeared. Isn't Aldo's love named Mary? That would\nbe a clew, too. No. It's Marta isn't it. Hmm. Double reference? Marta as\nthe train line into the city. What city. THE City? She's called just \"Mar,\"\nwhich can be either Mary or Marta. Marta also as Martha, sister of another\nMary. (Gee, once you're on this track, where does it stop?)\n\tAnd the end of the first story? It sounds like revolt and revolution. But\nmaybe it points to the end of history, when purgatory will no longer exist.\nDunno. Gotta reread."
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          "text": "On \"The Ziggurat\": I don't agree with you here,\nNutria; I think Wolfe himself intended the Maximum\nDelusion theory to be prominent in people's minds: why\nelse does he leave so many suggestions of delusion and\nabuse?"
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          "text": "\tGood question. I think I'll just have to leave the Zig for another day,\nthough.\n\tBTW, if you have not mentioned the Integral Vance to this list, you\nshould. Wolfeans should love Vance; Wolfe does. Does Wolfe know about it? \n\nhttp://www.massmedia.com/~mikeb/vie/\n\nNutria"
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