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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 2146, "subject": "Variant 5HC and also PKD", "messages": 2, "voices": 2, "first": "2000-03-09T07:04:43+00:00", "last": "2000-03-14T21:40:53+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Michael Andre-Driussi", "address": "mantis at sirius.com" }, "date": "2000-03-09T07:04:43+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Variant 5HC and also PKD", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Dan Rabin quotes and writes:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I vaguely remember some talk about possible diffs between \"5HC\" novella in\nORBIT and 5HC, but I can't recall if it was just speculation or somebody\nhad actually gotten down to doing the work of looking." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "That was me, too. The Gene-Wolfe-three-novellas editions have a brief\npassage in the scene in the library in which the narrator finds an edition\nof the short stories of Vernor Vinge. This passage is absent in the\noriginal _Orbit_ version." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Okay, I'm writing it down this time! Same place, \"Section P: Textual\nVariations.\"" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "There are, of course, several Wolfe stories that have never been collected\nin a single-author anthology. The ones I've encountered are \"A Method Bit\nin 'B'\" and \"Going to the Beach\", and some of the ones from the last few\nyears. I recall someone posting a pointer to list, I think." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "(I still think that \"Going to the Beach\" is a favorite of mine, but I\nshould dig it up and re-read it, since I might be confusing it with\nsomething else.) I probably posted a list or two, myself, but Jonathan\nLaidlow's pages is the place to go for that info--everybody go check it\nout. Set your search engine to \"Gene AND Wolfe NOT Genetics\" .\n\nRe: PK Dick. FWIW I don't recall ever seeing any mention of PKD in Wolfe\ninterviews. But on the personal reader's association front, I felt that\nTHERE ARE DOORS was quite like PKD, and the scene in URTH with little\nTzadkiel by the Brook Madregot reminded me very much of similar wassername\ntoward the end of PKD's DIVINE INVASION (was it? I'm pretty sure).\n\nRe: PKD's nickel for the door scene. I, for one, remember it very well\n(even though I sometimes forget which PKD book it was in); I, too, thought\nof it when Severian wondered about his stateroom door, but I also thought\nabout the insane bunker doors talking to themselves in the toxic rust\ndeserts of what I thought was M. John Harrison's THE PASTEL CITY . . . and\nthis is probably wrong, since as a matter of fact, I re-read TPC not too\nlong ago, and I don't remember seeing that insane door again . . .\n\n=mantis=" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Jeremy Crampton", "address": "jcrampto at osf1.gmu.edu" }, "date": "2000-03-14T21:40:53+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Re: Variant 5HC and also PKD", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "mantis et al.," }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Re: PK Dick. FWIW I don't recall ever seeing any mention of PKD in Wolfe\ninterviews. But on the personal reader's association front, I felt that\nTHERE ARE DOORS was quite like PKD, and the scene in URTH with little\nTzadkiel by the Brook Madregot reminded me very much of similar wassername\ntoward the end of PKD's DIVINE INVASION (was it? I'm pretty sure)." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I hadn't thought of There Are Doors. That's a good one. The Tzadkiel/Zina\n(for it was she) connection in Divine Invasion (you're right!) is another\ngood one. Dick had in mind a kind of fairy/Athena Pallas/Mnemosyne (Gk.\ngoddess of memory, cf. same (?) person in the _Soldier_ books, there\nepitomised as [daughter of] Gaea/sphinx) who plays to the boy Manny\n(\"Emmanuel\" ie the savior) who is damaged. She revives his memory of his\ntrue state in what PKD called \"anamnesis\" or unforgetting. Anamnesis is\nsomething others can go through as well. There are some weakish parallels\nto Tzadkiel/Severian and godhood here, perhaps.\n\nZina is also the beside-helper PKD sometimes imagined, which some people\ncite as originating in the loss of his twin sister 1 month after birth.\n(Dick also sometimes identified this knowledgeable female companion with\ngirlfriends, such as Joan S. in Sonoma.) An analogous character is Angel\nArcher in Transmigration of Timothy Archer.\n\nThat's enough PKD (ed).\n\nPs why does nobody ever discuss the Soldier books? I would rank them among\nhis best work.\n\nbest,\n\n\n__\nJeremy W. Crampton\t\t http://geog.gmu.edu jcrampto at gmu.edu\nDept. of Geography & Earth Science\n[MS 1E2]\t\t\t\t’Tis true; there’s magic in the web of it.\nGeorge Mason University\t\t\t\t\t--Othello (III.iv.69)\nFairfax, Va 22030" } ] } ] }