Burns redeems himself
The Urth list — 5 messages, 3 voices, 23 Mar 2000
https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/2161
Nicholas Gevers23 Mar 2000, 14:15original
Millennium has just released the first half of THE
BOOK OF THE NEW SUN in the UK under the title SHADOW
AND CLAW, as the leadoff title in their Fantasy
Masterworks series; SWORD AND CITADEL follows in
December. SHADOW AND CLAW is a nicely-produced trade
paperback, reprinting the UK hardcover text, which is
much more readable than that in the Tor Orb edition.
What's more, Jim Burns has provided a fairly
impressive cover illustration, far superior to his
SHORT SUN covers; it shows Severian somewhat in
Pennington mode, against an effectively archaic urban
backdrop. A welcome change.
Jesper Svedberg25 Mar 2000, 12:56original
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From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Nicholas=20Gevers?= <vermoulian at yahoo.com> Subject: Burns redeems himself Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:15:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Millennium has just released the first half of THE
BOOK OF THE NEW SUN in the UK under the title SHADOW
AND CLAW, as the leadoff title in their Fantasy
Masterworks series; SWORD AND CITADEL follows in
December. SHADOW AND CLAW is a nicely-produced trade
paperback, reprinting the UK hardcover text, which is
much more readable than that in the Tor Orb edition.
What's more, Jim Burns has provided a fairly
impressive cover illustration, far superior to his
SHORT SUN covers; it shows Severian somewhat in
Pennington mode, against an effectively archaic urban
backdrop. A welcome change.
Redeems himself? That cover easily plants itelf on my "worst cover ever" list, it's amazingly ugly, his OB'sW cover is much nicer. I think they should use Pennington's old Shadow of the Torturer cover, it pictures almost the same scene, but is infinetly more atmospherical and beautiful. What's the difference between the UK hardcover text and the test in the Orb edition? Are all the titles in Millennium's Fantasy and SF Masterwork series trade paperbacks? (There are generally three different sizes of paperback's in the UK it seems, one is the size of a normal massmarket paperback, one is the size of a normal hardcover and the last one is somewhere in between. Are we talking about the hardcover sized type here?)
// Jesper Svedberg
Nicholas Gevers25 Mar 2000, 23:27original
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--- Jesper Svedberg
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<jesper.svedberg at mailbox.swipnet.se> wrote:
Redeems himself? That cover easily plants itelf on
my "worst cover
ever" list, it's amazingly ugly, his OB'sW cover
is much nicer.
I think they should use Pennington's old Shadow of
the Torturer
cover, it pictures almost the same scene, but is
infinetly more
atmospherical and beautiful.
What's the difference between the UK hardcover text
and the test in
the Orb edition?
Are all the titles in Millennium's Fantasy and SF
Masterwork series
trade paperbacks? (There are generally three
different sizes of
paperback's in the UK it seems, one is the size of a
normal massmarket
paperback, one is the size of a normal hardcover and
the last one is
somewhere in between. Are we talking about the
hardcover sized type
here?)
Tastes differ; and compare the Millennium cover art to
the Sword & Sorcery bilge on the Orb cover!
As for the Millennium text and format: the hardcover
text they've reprinted is of a much more readable size
than that of the Orb edition, which was reduced to a
painfully small dimension to minimise the number of
pages, I suppose; and the format is B, the one between
mass market paperback and hardcover. And all the
Fantasy Masterworks will be in B format: already out
is TIME AND THE GODS by Lord Dunsany, an omnibus of
six early collections; and in April there's Eddison's
THE WORM OUROBOROS and TALES OF THE DYING EARTH by
Jack Vance, an omnibus of all four Dying Earth volumes.
Jesper Svedberg26 Mar 2000, 18:00original
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From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Nicholas=20Gevers?= <vermoulian at yahoo.com> Subject: Re: (urth) Re: Burns redeems himself Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 23:27:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Tastes differ; and compare the Millennium cover art to
the Sword & Sorcery bilge on the Orb cover!
I won't argue about taste but I just want to say that I'm not Don Maitz' greatest fan either, his BotNS covers range from good (the two that Orb uses on the omnibuses) to pretty horrible (the other two), but they're all technically well crafted and the good ones are IMO atmospherical and not at all as clichéd as their reputation. The Millennium cover on the other hand is technically inadequate, clichéd, totally lacking in atmosphere and plain ugly. (The guys at Millennium must really have something against Wolfe, the cover of
The Fifth Head of Cerberus is also horrible buyond belief.)
Bruce Pennington's cover art and the art on the Swedish edition by [Something] Gordon are really good though, and could have been used instead. (But if I could choose, then I'd hire Jeffrey Jones or Frank Frazetta to do the covers, both are truly fabulous artists that would really catch Urth's atmosphere.)
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As for the Millennium text and format: the hardcover
text they've reprinted is of a much more readable size
than that of the Orb edition, which was reduced to a
painfully small dimension to minimise the number of
pages, I suppose; and the format is B, the one between
mass market paperback and hardcover. And all the
Fantasy Masterworks will be in B format: already out
is TIME AND THE GODS by Lord Dunsany, an omnibus of
six early collections; and in April there's Eddison's
THE WORM OUROBOROS and TALES OF THE DYING EARTH by
Jack Vance, an omnibus of all four Dying Earth volumes.
Mm, format B, my favourite. :)
I really don't have a problem with reading small print, I even like it of some reason. The Fantasy Masterworks series looks REALLY interesting, (I'd buy the entire series if the BotNS cover hadn't been so ugly, I think I'm going to buy the Orb edition instead :)) all of the books planned for release so far have been on my to-buy list for ages, especially Jack Vance's TALES OF THE DYING EARTH, which is almost as good as Wolfe himself. Also planned for release so far are Little, Big by John Crowley and Robert E. Howard's Conan series collected in two volumes, I've also heard rumors of M. John Harrison's Virconium series. Other titles that I wouldn't mind seeing would be The Broken Sword by Poul Anderson, something by Avram Davidson (perhaps The Phoenix in the Mirror) and Nifft the Lean by Michael Shea.
// Jesper Svedberg
Kevin J. Maroney26 Mar 2000, 17:50original
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At 11:27 PM 3/25/00 -0800, you wrote:
Tastes differ; and compare the Millennium cover art to
the Sword & Sorcery bilge on the Orb cover!
The Orb covers are cropped versions of the original Simon and Schuster/Pocket editions by Don Maitz. I have always disliked Maitz's cover for Citadel and regret seeing it return on the Orb Sword and Citadel, but I have always loved his cover for Shadow of the Torturer and am glad to see it used on the Orb Shadow and Claw.
Tastes differ.
My favorite Wolfe cover is the Gollanz hc edition of Free Live Free. Unfortunately, it's a cover for Tom Disch's On Wings of Song which found its way on to the wrong book.
Kevin Maroney | kmaroney at crossover.com | (212) 777-1190
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