{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/2161", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 2161, "subject": "Burns redeems himself", "messages": 5, "voices": 3, "first": "2000-03-23T14:15:14+00:00", "last": "2000-03-26T18:00:59+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Nicholas Gevers", "address": "vermoulian at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2000-03-23T14:15:14+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Burns redeems himself", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Millennium has just released the first half of THE\nBOOK OF THE NEW SUN in the UK under the title SHADOW\nAND CLAW, as the leadoff title in their Fantasy\nMasterworks series; SWORD AND CITADEL follows in\nDecember. SHADOW AND CLAW is a nicely-produced trade\npaperback, reprinting the UK hardcover text, which is\nmuch more readable than that in the Tor Orb edition.\nWhat's more, Jim Burns has provided a fairly\nimpressive cover illustration, far superior to his\nSHORT SUN covers; it shows Severian somewhat in\nPennington mode, against an effectively archaic urban\nbackdrop. A welcome change." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Jesper Svedberg", "address": "jesper.svedberg at mailbox.swipnet.se" }, "date": "2000-03-25T12:56:35+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Re: Burns redeems himself", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Nicholas=20Gevers?= \nSubject: Burns redeems himself\nDate: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:15:14 -0800 (PST)\nMIME-Version: 1.0\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1\nContent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n\nMillennium has just released the first half of THE\nBOOK OF THE NEW SUN in the UK under the title SHADOW\nAND CLAW, as the leadoff title in their Fantasy\nMasterworks series; SWORD AND CITADEL follows in\nDecember. SHADOW AND CLAW is a nicely-produced trade\npaperback, reprinting the UK hardcover text, which is\nmuch more readable than that in the Tor Orb edition.\nWhat's more, Jim Burns has provided a fairly\nimpressive cover illustration, far superior to his\nSHORT SUN covers; it shows Severian somewhat in\nPennington mode, against an effectively archaic urban\nbackdrop. A welcome change." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Redeems himself? That cover easily plants itelf on my \"worst cover\never\" list, it's amazingly ugly, his _OB'sW_ cover is much nicer.\nI think they should use Pennington's old Shadow of the Torturer\ncover, it pictures almost the same scene, but is infinetly more\natmospherical and beautiful.\nWhat's the difference between the UK hardcover text and the test in\nthe Orb edition?\nAre all the titles in Millennium's Fantasy and SF Masterwork series\ntrade paperbacks? (There are generally three different sizes of\npaperback's in the UK it seems, one is the size of a normal massmarket\npaperback, one is the size of a normal hardcover and the last one is\nsomewhere in between. Are we talking about the hardcover sized type\nhere?)\n\n\n // Jesper Svedberg" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Nicholas Gevers", "address": "vermoulian at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2000-03-25T23:27:10+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Re: Burns redeems himself", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "--- Jesper Svedberg" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": " wrote:\n\nRedeems himself? That cover easily plants itelf on\nmy \"worst cover\never\" list, it's amazingly ugly, his _OB'sW_ cover\nis much nicer.\nI think they should use Pennington's old Shadow of\nthe Torturer\ncover, it pictures almost the same scene, but is\ninfinetly more\natmospherical and beautiful.\nWhat's the difference between the UK hardcover text\nand the test in\nthe Orb edition?\nAre all the titles in Millennium's Fantasy and SF\nMasterwork series\ntrade paperbacks? (There are generally three\ndifferent sizes of\npaperback's in the UK it seems, one is the size of a\nnormal massmarket\npaperback, one is the size of a normal hardcover and\nthe last one is\nsomewhere in between. Are we talking about the\nhardcover sized type\nhere?)" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Tastes differ; and compare the Millennium cover art to\nthe Sword & Sorcery bilge on the Orb cover!\n\nAs for the Millennium text and format: the hardcover\ntext they've reprinted is of a much more readable size\nthan that of the Orb edition, which was reduced to a\npainfully small dimension to minimise the number of\npages, I suppose; and the format is B, the one between\nmass market paperback and hardcover. And all the\nFantasy Masterworks will be in B format: already out\nis TIME AND THE GODS by Lord Dunsany, an omnibus of\nsix early collections; and in April there's Eddison's\nTHE WORM OUROBOROS and TALES OF THE DYING EARTH by\nJack Vance, an omnibus of all four Dying Earth volumes." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Jesper Svedberg", "address": "jesper.svedberg at mailbox.swipnet.se" }, "date": "2000-03-26T18:00:59+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Re: Burns redeems himself", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Nicholas=20Gevers?= \nSubject: Re: (urth) Re: Burns redeems himself\nDate: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 23:27:10 -0800 (PST)\nMIME-Version: 1.0\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1\nContent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n\nTastes differ; and compare the Millennium cover art to\nthe Sword & Sorcery bilge on the Orb cover!" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I won't argue about taste but I just want to say that I'm not Don Maitz'\ngreatest fan either, his BotNS covers range from good (the two that Orb\nuses on the omnibuses) to pretty horrible (the other two), but they're\nall technically well crafted and the good ones are IMO atmospherical and\nnot at all as clichéd as their reputation.\nThe Millennium cover on the other hand is technically inadequate,\nclichéd, totally lacking in atmosphere and plain ugly. (The guys at\nMillennium must really have something against Wolfe, the cover of\n_The Fifth Head of Cerberus_ is also horrible buyond belief.)\nBruce Pennington's cover art and the art on the Swedish edition by\n[Something] Gordon are really good though, and could have been used\ninstead. (But if I could choose, then I'd hire Jeffrey Jones or Frank\nFrazetta to do the covers, both are truly fabulous artists that would\nreally catch Urth's atmosphere.)" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "As for the Millennium text and format: the hardcover\ntext they've reprinted is of a much more readable size\nthan that of the Orb edition, which was reduced to a\npainfully small dimension to minimise the number of\npages, I suppose; and the format is B, the one between\nmass market paperback and hardcover. And all the\nFantasy Masterworks will be in B format: already out\nis TIME AND THE GODS by Lord Dunsany, an omnibus of\nsix early collections; and in April there's Eddison's\nTHE WORM OUROBOROS and TALES OF THE DYING EARTH by\nJack Vance, an omnibus of all four Dying Earth volumes." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Mm, format B, my favourite. :)\nI really don't have a problem with reading small print, I even like\nit of some reason.\nThe Fantasy Masterworks series looks REALLY interesting, (I'd buy\nthe entire series if the BotNS cover hadn't been so ugly, I think\nI'm going to buy the Orb edition instead :)) all of the books\nplanned for release so far have been on my to-buy list for ages,\nespecially Jack Vance's TALES OF THE DYING EARTH, which is almost\nas good as Wolfe himself.\nAlso planned for release so far are _Little, Big_ by John Crowley and\nRobert E. Howard's Conan series collected in two volumes, I've also\nheard rumors of M. John Harrison's Virconium series.\nOther titles that I wouldn't mind seeing would be _The Broken Sword_\nby Poul Anderson, something by Avram Davidson (perhaps _The Phoenix\nin the Mirror_) and _Nifft the Lean_ by Michael Shea.\n\n\n // Jesper Svedberg" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Kevin J. Maroney", "address": "kmaroney at crossover.com" }, "date": "2000-03-26T17:50:15+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Re: Burns redeems himself", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 11:27 PM 3/25/00 -0800, you wrote:\nTastes differ; and compare the Millennium cover art to\nthe Sword & Sorcery bilge on the Orb cover!" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The Orb covers are cropped versions of the original Simon and\nSchuster/Pocket editions by Don Maitz. I have always disliked Maitz's cover\nfor _Citadel_ and regret seeing it return on the Orb _Sword and Citadel_,\nbut I have always loved his cover for _Shadow of the Torturer_ and am glad\nto see it used on the Orb _Shadow and Claw_. \n\nTastes differ.\n\nMy favorite Wolfe cover is the Gollanz hc edition of _Free Live Free_.\nUnfortunately, it's a cover for Tom Disch's _On Wings of Song_ which found\nits way on to the wrong book. " }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Kevin Maroney | kmaroney at crossover.com | (212) 777-1190" } ] } ] }