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The Urth list — 3 messages, 3 voices, 03 Apr 2000
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Nil_Ultra03 Apr 2000, 00:13original
Ok, that deserves crucifiction, though I will agree that Urth of the new sun is certainly the best part of the book of the new sun, it is heresy to say that the book of the new sun is inferior to the long sun. The long sun series does have more value in the traditional sf/fantasy plotline of being really clear about what the plot is and the good guys vs bad guys theme, but the lack of that was what I think really made Book of The New Sun unique; it is not a fantasy story, it is like reality merged with the text of some lost holy book. I will be the first to agree that the Book of the New Sun is not for everyone, but do not call it inferior until you understand it. -Rob -----Original Message-----
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From: Redhaven1 at aol.com Subject: Long Sun vs. New Sun Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 21:53:23 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please don't crucify me. . . I got started on Wolfe when I was sick in the hospital. My parents offered to pick up some books to help pass the time and I suggested a book I had heard of called The Book of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe. The only Wolfe books Border's had were the last two books of the Long Sun series.
Frankly,
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I'm glad it was these two or I wouldn't be posting on this list today. I loved Calde and Exodus and immediately began to try to read all the Wolfe books I could find. I ordered the Book of the New Sun as a single volumn from the book club I was in. Upon reading it I was extremely dissappointed. I didn't think it was near as good as the Long Sun. To me, it seemed like a strange, disjointed fairy-tale that kinda wanted to be sci-fi. I admit, the mood of the entire work was beautifully haunting, and when I get arround to reading it a second time I'll probably find a hundered things I missed, but in my view New Sun was the worst, Urth of the New Sun was little better, and Long Sun was best. Short Sun is shaping up to be the best yet. Well, that's my two bits. I just felt I had to defend the Long Sun, because it's what got me hooked. If I had started on New Sun, I don't think I'd be a Wolfe fan. -Steve --------------- MESSAGE urth.v028.n174.3 --------------- From: Inire <inire at yahoo.com> Subject: Re: (urth) Wolfe does Star Trek Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 23:42:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Nicholas Gevers <vermoulian at yahoo.com> wrote:
For news of GW's next series--a New Sun/Star Trek crossover starting with HE'S DEAD, SEVERIAN
<Sound of falling onto floor, gasping, choking, giggling> --see today's "Locus Online Buys Simon & Schuster" entry on LOCUS ONLINE (www.locusmag.com).
<more snorting, complete breaths being taken now> Oh lord, THAT was a rich one! ;-D And the sad thing is, nobody in RL that I know would know What The HELL I was talking about if I said that! A great joke, wasted. Kudos to Locus! ===== Jeff "My dice hate me!" Miller ICQ# 57242517 "The idea of verifying facts about the world through controlled repetition seems alien to just about everyone with the possible exception of Fr Inire, and he's a bug-eyed space monster. . ."-Jim Henley, on the URTH list Gaming to keep War out of RealTime! '82 GS650G Specify Type Of Goat __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com --------------- END urth.v028.n174 ---------------
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Jack and Melissa Holcomb03 Apr 2000, 02:38original

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Whoa, cowboy. Look, Rob, you're absolutely entitled to your opinion, but then, so is Jeff. What's more, Jeff was pretty careful about framing every criticism he made of New Sun as his own reaction -- "for me" and so forth, ya see? -- and not as gospel truth (or gospel truth's inverse, heresy). Don't jump all over him, tell him to shut up, and imply that he doesn't understand the book, just because he expressed his opinion about it. That's just damn rude. And so far I've been so impressed with the congeniality of this list. And for the record, I dig BotNS best, although Urth is optional. And I would agree that the Soldier books are the second-best thing Wolfe's written. Jack
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Ok, that deserves crucifiction, though I will agree that Urth of the new sun is certainly the best part of the book of the new sun, it is heresy to say that the book of the new sun is inferior to the long sun. The long sun series does have more value in the traditional sf/fantasy plotline of being really clear about what the plot is and the good guys vs bad guys theme, but the lack of that was what I think really made Book of The New Sun unique; it is not a fantasy story, it is like reality merged with the text of some lost holy book. I will be the first to agree that the Book of the New Sun is not for everyone, but do not call it inferior until you understand it. -Rob -----Original Message-----
From: Redhaven1 at aol.com Subject: Long Sun vs. New Sun Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 21:53:23 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please don't crucify me. . . I got started on Wolfe when I was sick in the hospital. My parents offered to pick up some books to help pass the time and I suggested a book I had heard of called The Book of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe. The only Wolfe books Border's had were the last two books of the Long Sun series.
Frankly, I'm glad it was these two or I wouldn't be posting on this list today. I loved Calde and Exodus and immediately began to try to read all the Wolfe books I could find. I ordered the Book of the New Sun as a single volumn from the book club I was in. Upon reading it I was extremely dissappointed.
I didn't think it was near as good as the Long Sun. To me, it seemed like a strange, disjointed fairy-tale that kinda wanted to be sci-fi. I admit, the mood of the entire work was beautifully haunting, and when I get arround to reading it a second time I'll probably find a hundered things I missed, but in my view New Sun was the worst, Urth of the New Sun was little better, and Long Sun was best. Short Sun is shaping up to be the best yet. Well, that's my two bits. I just felt I had to defend the Long Sun, because it's what got me hooked. If I had started on New Sun, I don't think I'd be a Wolfe fan. -Steve --------------- MESSAGE urth.v028.n174.3 --------------- From: Inire <inire at yahoo.com> Subject: Re: (urth) Wolfe does Star Trek Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 23:42:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Nicholas Gevers <vermoulian at yahoo.com> wrote:
For news of GW's next series--a New Sun/Star Trek crossover starting with HE'S DEAD, SEVERIAN
<Sound of falling onto floor, gasping, choking, giggling> --see today's "Locus Online Buys Simon & Schuster" entry on LOCUS ONLINE (www.locusmag.com).
<more snorting, complete breaths being taken now> Oh lord, THAT was a rich one! ;-D And the sad thing is, nobody in RL that I know would know What The HELL I was talking about if I said that! A great joke, wasted. Kudos to Locus! ===== Jeff "My dice hate me!" Miller ICQ# 57242517 "The idea of verifying facts about the world through controlled repetition seems alien to just about everyone with the possible exception of Fr Inire, and he's a bug-eyed space monster. . ."-Jim Henley, on the URTH list Gaming to keep War out of RealTime! '82 GS650G Specify Type Of Goat __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com --------------- END urth.v028.n174 ---------------
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Alice Turner03 Apr 2000, 20:48original

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Welcome (and a peacepipe) to Steve, who wrote: Please don't crucify me. . . I got started on Wolfe when I was sick in the hospital. My parents offered to pick up some books to help pass the time and I suggested a book I had heard of called The Book of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe. The only Wolfe books Border's had were the last two books of the Long Sun series. Frankly, I'm glad it was these two or I wouldn't be posting on this list today. I loved Calde and Exodus and immediately began to try to read all the Wolfe books I could find. I ordered the Book of the New Sun as a single volumn from the book club I was in. Upon reading it I was extremely dissappointed. I didn't think it was near as good as the Long Sun. To me, it seemed like a strange, disjointed fairy-tale that kinda wanted to be sci-fi. I admit, the mood of the entire work was beautifully haunting, and when I get arround to reading it a second time I'll probably find a hundered things I missed, but in my view New Sun was the worst, Urth of the New Sun was little better, and Long Sun was best. Short Sun is shaping up to be the best yet. Well, that's my two bits. I just felt I had to defend the Long Sun, because it's what got me hooked. If I had started on New Sun, I don't think I'd be a Wolfe fan.
You're certainly entitled to think this way--and it's nice for LS to have a defender! What absolutely floors me, though, is that you were able to come in on the middle of the series and enjoy it thoroughly. So much for my defense of elegant plotting! -alga

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