{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/2178", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 2178, "subject": "Digest urth.v028.n174", "messages": 3, "voices": 3, "first": "2000-04-03T00:13:28+00:00", "last": "2000-04-03T20:48:16+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Nil_Ultra", "address": "nil_ultra at email.msn.com" }, "date": "2000-04-03T00:13:28+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Re: Digest urth.v028.n174", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Ok, that deserves crucifiction, though I will agree that Urth of the new sun\nis certainly the best part of the book of the new sun, it is heresy to say\nthat the book of the new sun is inferior to the long sun. The long sun\nseries does have more value in the traditional sf/fantasy plotline of being\nreally clear about what the plot is and the good guys vs bad guys theme,\nbut the lack of that was what I think really made Book of The New Sun\nunique; it is not a fantasy story, it is like reality merged with the text\nof some lost holy book. I will be the first to agree that the Book of the\nNew Sun is not for everyone, but do not call it inferior until you\nunderstand it.\n\n-Rob\n-----Original Message-----" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "From: Redhaven1 at aol.com\nSubject: Long Sun vs. New Sun\nDate: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 21:53:23 EST\nMIME-Version: 1.0\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=\"US-ASCII\"\nContent-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit\n\nPlease don't crucify me. . .\n\n I got started on Wolfe when I was sick in the hospital. My parents\noffered to pick up some books to help pass the time and I suggested a book\nI\nhad heard of called The Book of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe. The only Wolfe\nbooks Border's had were the last two books of the Long Sun series." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Frankly," }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I'm glad it was these two or I wouldn't be posting on this list today. I\nloved Calde and Exodus and immediately began to try to read all the Wolfe\nbooks I could find. I ordered the Book of the New Sun as a single volumn\nfrom the book club I was in. Upon reading it I was extremely\ndissappointed.\nI didn't think it was near as good as the Long Sun. To me, it seemed like\na\nstrange, disjointed fairy-tale that kinda wanted to be sci-fi. I admit,\nthe\nmood of the entire work was beautifully haunting, and when I get arround to\nreading it a second time I'll probably find a hundered things I missed, but\nin my view New Sun was the worst, Urth of the New Sun was little better,\nand\nLong Sun was best. Short Sun is shaping up to be the best yet. Well,\nthat's\nmy two bits. I just felt I had to defend the Long Sun, because it's what\ngot\nme hooked. If I had started on New Sun, I don't think I'd be a Wolfe fan.\n\n-Steve\n\n\n--------------- MESSAGE urth.v028.n174.3 ---------------\n\nFrom: Inire \nSubject: Re: (urth) Wolfe does Star Trek\nDate: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 23:42:22 -0800 (PST)\nMIME-Version: 1.0\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii\n\n\n\n--- Nicholas Gevers wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "For news of GW's next series--a New Sun/Star Trek\ncrossover starting with HE'S DEAD, SEVERIAN" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "\n\n--see\ntoday's \"Locus Online Buys Simon & Schuster\" entry\non\nLOCUS ONLINE (www.locusmag.com)." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": " Oh\nlord, THAT was a rich one! ;-D And the sad thing is,\nnobody in RL that I know would know What The HELL I\nwas talking about if I said that! A great joke,\nwasted.\n\nKudos to Locus!\n\n=====\nJeff \"My dice hate me!\" Miller ICQ# 57242517\n\n\"The idea of verifying facts about the world through controlled repetition\nseems alien to just about everyone with the _possible_ exception of Fr\nInire, and he's a bug-eyed space monster. . .\"-Jim Henley, on the URTH list\n\nGaming to keep War out of RealTime! '82 GS650G\nSpecify Type Of Goat\n\n__________________________________________________\nDo You Yahoo!?\nTalk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.\nhttp://im.yahoo.com\n\n\n--------------- END urth.v028.n174 ---------------" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "works" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Jack and Melissa Holcomb", "address": "jackandmel at socket.net" }, "date": "2000-04-03T02:38:13+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Re: Digest urth.v028.n174", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Whoa, cowboy. Look, Rob, you're absolutely entitled to your opinion, but\nthen, so is Jeff. What's more, Jeff was pretty careful about framing every\ncriticism he made of New Sun as his own reaction -- \"for me\" and so forth,\nya see? -- and not as gospel truth (or gospel truth's inverse, heresy).\nDon't jump all over him, tell him to shut up, and imply that he doesn't\nunderstand the book, just because he expressed his opinion about it. That's\njust damn rude. And so far I've been so impressed with the congeniality of\nthis list.\n\nAnd for the record, I dig BotNS best, although Urth is optional. And I\nwould agree that the Soldier books are the second-best thing Wolfe's\nwritten.\n\nJack" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Ok, that deserves crucifiction, though I will agree that Urth of the new\nsun\nis certainly the best part of the book of the new sun, it is heresy to\nsay\nthat the book of the new sun is inferior to the long sun. The long sun\nseries does have more value in the traditional sf/fantasy plotline of\nbeing\nreally clear about what the plot is and the good guys vs bad guys theme,\nbut the lack of that was what I think really made Book of The New Sun\nunique; it is not a fantasy story, it is like reality merged with the\ntext\nof some lost holy book. I will be the first to agree that the Book of the\nNew Sun is not for everyone, but do not call it inferior until you\nunderstand it.\n\n-Rob\n-----Original Message-----" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "From: Redhaven1 at aol.com\nSubject: Long Sun vs. New Sun\nDate: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 21:53:23 EST\nMIME-Version: 1.0\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=\"US-ASCII\"\nContent-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit\n\nPlease don't crucify me. . .\n\n I got started on Wolfe when I was sick in the hospital. My parents\noffered to pick up some books to help pass the time and I suggested a\nbook\nI\nhad heard of called The Book of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe. The only\nWolfe\nbooks Border's had were the last two books of the Long Sun series." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Frankly,\nI'm glad it was these two or I wouldn't be posting on this list today. I\nloved Calde and Exodus and immediately began to try to read all the Wolfe\nbooks I could find. I ordered the Book of the New Sun as a single volumn\nfrom the book club I was in. Upon reading it I was extremely\ndissappointed." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I didn't think it was near as good as the Long Sun. To me, it seemed\nlike\na\nstrange, disjointed fairy-tale that kinda wanted to be sci-fi. I admit,\nthe\nmood of the entire work was beautifully haunting, and when I get arround\nto\nreading it a second time I'll probably find a hundered things I missed,\nbut\nin my view New Sun was the worst, Urth of the New Sun was little better,\nand\nLong Sun was best. Short Sun is shaping up to be the best yet. Well,\nthat's\nmy two bits. I just felt I had to defend the Long Sun, because it's what\ngot\nme hooked. If I had started on New Sun, I don't think I'd be a Wolfe\nfan.\n\n-Steve\n\n\n--------------- MESSAGE urth.v028.n174.3 ---------------\n\nFrom: Inire \nSubject: Re: (urth) Wolfe does Star Trek\nDate: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 23:42:22 -0800 (PST)\nMIME-Version: 1.0\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii\n\n\n\n--- Nicholas Gevers wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "For news of GW's next series--a New Sun/Star Trek\ncrossover starting with HE'S DEAD, SEVERIAN" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "\n\n--see\ntoday's \"Locus Online Buys Simon & Schuster\" entry\non\nLOCUS ONLINE (www.locusmag.com)." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": " Oh\nlord, THAT was a rich one! ;-D And the sad thing is,\nnobody in RL that I know would know What The HELL I\nwas talking about if I said that! A great joke,\nwasted.\n\nKudos to Locus!\n\n=====\nJeff \"My dice hate me!\" Miller ICQ# 57242517\n\n\"The idea of verifying facts about the world through controlled\nrepetition\nseems alien to just about everyone with the _possible_ exception of Fr\nInire, and he's a bug-eyed space monster. . .\"-Jim Henley, on the URTH\nlist\n\nGaming to keep War out of RealTime! '82 GS650G\nSpecify Type Of Goat\n\n__________________________________________________\nDo You Yahoo!?\nTalk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.\nhttp://im.yahoo.com\n\n\n--------------- END urth.v028.n174 ---------------" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "works" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Alice Turner", "address": "akt at attglobal.net" }, "date": "2000-04-03T20:48:16+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Re: Digest urth.v028.n174", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Welcome (and a peacepipe) to Steve, who wrote:\nPlease don't crucify me. . .\n\n I got started on Wolfe when I was sick in the hospital. My parents \noffered to pick up some books to help pass the time and I suggested a book I \nhad heard of called The Book of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe. The only Wolfe \nbooks Border's had were the last two books of the Long Sun series. Frankly, \nI'm glad it was these two or I wouldn't be posting on this list today. I \nloved Calde and Exodus and immediately began to try to read all the Wolfe \nbooks I could find. I ordered the Book of the New Sun as a single volumn \nfrom the book club I was in. Upon reading it I was extremely dissappointed. \nI didn't think it was near as good as the Long Sun. To me, it seemed like a \nstrange, disjointed fairy-tale that kinda wanted to be sci-fi. I admit, the \nmood of the entire work was beautifully haunting, and when I get arround to \nreading it a second time I'll probably find a hundered things I missed, but \nin my view New Sun was the worst, Urth of the New Sun was little better, and \nLong Sun was best. Short Sun is shaping up to be the best yet. Well, that's \nmy two bits. I just felt I had to defend the Long Sun, because it's what got \nme hooked. If I had started on New Sun, I don't think I'd be a Wolfe fan." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "You're certainly entitled to think this way--and it's nice for LS to have a defender! What absolutely floors me, though, is that you were able to come in on the middle of the series and enjoy it thoroughly. So much for my defense of elegant plotting!\n\n-alga" } ] } ] }