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    "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/2197",
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  "thread": {
    "id": 2197,
    "subject": "topless torturers",
    "messages": 1,
    "voices": 1,
    "first": "2000-04-17T19:40:46+00:00",
    "last": "2000-04-17T19:40:46+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0028-0910@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Dan Parmenter",
        "address": "dan at lec.com"
      },
      "date": "2000-04-17T19:40:46+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) topless torturers",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
      "blocks": [
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "From: \"Christopher Culver\" <new_sun at hotmail.com>\n(Back after about a year's absence from the list)."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Welcome back!"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "2) Severian, remembering his time in the classroom of Master Malrubius, \nquotes Malrubius as speaking about Severian's diligence, and trailing off \nwith, \"There was a boy...\" Is it generally accepted that he was speaking of \nPalaemon (before his exile)?"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "I've always assumed so.  There seems to be good evidence from the text\n(sorry, no citations) that Severian walked in Palaemon's steps in more\nways than one.  I've often wondered if Palaemon was an early candidate\nfor the concilliator: the hieros had figured out by a certain point\nthat a torturer was needed.  Palaemon went through many of the\nappropriate experiences, but in the end, loyalty to his guild won\nout.  The \"first\" Severian (the one who lies in Severian's tomb) was\neven closer, but still not quite right.\n\nAnother question: what is the historical basis (if any) for our\nconception of how a torturer looks?  In other words, from whence comes\nthe image of the bare-chested masked torturer?\n\nLex Shellac"
        }
      ]
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