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  "thread": {
    "id": 2201,
    "subject": "Digest urth.v028.n186",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2000-04-19T11:51:20+00:00",
    "last": "2000-04-19T14:33:53+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0028-0920@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Paul C Duggan",
        "address": "pduggan at world.std.com"
      },
      "date": "2000-04-19T14:33:53+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Re: Digest urth.v028.n186",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "depth": 1,
          "text": "On Wed, 19 Apr 2000 alga wrote:\nThe scholarship is not that \"contemporary\" regarding Revelation. It was\nsuspect from the gitgo, with several more sober bishops strongly\nobjecting to it when the 4th century canon was put together. It crawled\nin because of popular superstition that John the gospeleer wrote it, \nthough  more educated folk with a good \"ear\" even at that early time\nfound this highly unlikely, and said so. There were lots of similarly\napocalyptic texts around, this one being an anti-Rome rant with\nhistorical references to Babylon, Israel's prior primo peeve."
        },
        {
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          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Its also been suggested that the main enemy, and actual identity\nof Babylon (besides Rome) is non-Christian Judaism (\"those who say they\nare Jews and are not\", and all) I would think \"modern scholarship\" would\nfind that fits right in with the Johnaine \"anti-semitism\" (as if that term\nhad any contextual utility, which I think it probably doesn't [but that\ndoesn't stop US News and World Report from mentioning it])"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Modern\ntextual analysis makes the two completely incompatible. "
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "I wonder how on earth anyone goes about proving something like that.\nJohn's gospel is structurally based abound sevens (seven \"I am's\", seven\nmiraculous signs, a \"seven day creation\" in the first chapter) and\neveryone is well aware of the seven-fold structure of Revelation. Seems\nthat would make them quite compatible.\n\nPaul"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0028-0921@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Ron Hale-Evans",
        "address": "rwhe at apocalypse.org"
      },
      "date": "2000-04-19T11:51:20+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) Re: Digest urth.v028.n186",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0028-0920@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
      "blocks": [
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          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "At 02:33 PM 4/19/00 -0400, you wrote:\nModern\ntextual analysis makes the two completely incompatible."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "I wonder how on earth anyone goes about proving something like that.\nJohn's gospel is structurally based abound sevens (seven \"I am's\", seven\nmiraculous signs, a \"seven day creation\" in the first chapter) and\neveryone is well aware of the seven-fold structure of Revelation. Seems\nthat would make them quite compatible.\n\nPaul"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Computer analysis of word frequency and other stylistic features. Pretty \nstandard in contemporary scholarship.\n\nRon H-E"
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          "text": "Ron Hale-Evans: rwhe at apocalypse.org  ... <http://www.apocalypse.org/~rwhe/>\nCenter for Ludic Synergy:        <http://www.ludism.org/>\nKennexions GBG artgame:          <http://kennexions.ludism.org/>\nHexagram-8 I Ching Mailing List: <http://www.apocalypse.org/~rwhe/hex8.html>\nPositive Revolution FAQ:         <http://www.ludism.org/posrev/>"
        }
      ]
    }
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