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  "thread": {
    "id": 2249,
    "subject": "Scipioun's Drem",
    "messages": 1,
    "voices": 1,
    "first": "2000-05-09T00:19:32+00:00",
    "last": "2000-05-09T00:19:32+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0028-0993@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Alice Turner",
        "address": "akt at attglobal.net"
      },
      "date": "2000-05-09T00:19:32+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Scipioun's Drem",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
      "blocks": [
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Nigel wrote:\n\nAlga wrote..."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 3,
          "text": "I dug out Chaucer. \"The Parliament of Fowls\" is a charming\nValentine's\nDay poem. The poet has been reading Scipio Africanus..."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "<Click!! >\n\n(What was that?  Oh no, it was the sound of Nigel switching into\nMindless\nPedantry Mode...)\n\nNothing to do with Crowley, and even less to do with Wolfe, but when\nChaucer writes in \"The Parlement of Foules\" that he has been reading\n\"Tullyus of the Drem of Scipioun\", he almost certainly means that he's\nbeen\nreading Macrobius' commentary on Cicero's \"Somnium Scipionis\" (\"the\nDream\nof Scipio\").  \"Tullyus\" refers to Cicero's full name: Marcus Tullius\nCicero."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "You're completely right: \"Tullyus of the Drem of Scipioun.\""
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Not sure I'd completely agree with the notion that the narrative tour\nof\nheaven and hell had completely died out by the mid-14th century..."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Depends"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "quite what you mean.  It long persisted as a literary trope in various\nforms, particularly in the various mutations of Renaissance epic, up\nto and\nincluding Milton, of course, in the 17th century.\n\nBut maybe you meant something more specific."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Yes, I did, sorry to be foggy. But you are once again right: post-Dante\nit beome a very popular literary trope. During the thousand years that\nstretched from about 400 to 1400, it was related as *truth*, however, by\na surprising number of people. That's why I made the UFO reference.\n\nThanks, Adam, for the page citations for LB.\n\n-alga"
        }
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