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  "thread": {
    "id": 2310,
    "subject": "Who Wants to be a Torturer? (was Quotehunt)",
    "messages": 3,
    "voices": 3,
    "first": "2000-07-06T23:43:56+00:00",
    "last": "2000-07-08T10:31:51+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0029-0105@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "William Ansley",
        "address": "wansley at warwick.net"
      },
      "date": "2000-07-06T23:43:56+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Who Wants to be a Torturer? (was Quotehunt)",
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          "text": "Is that your final answer? Sorry. Ooooh, you were so close!\n\nThe correct answer is:\n\n\"In the final reckoning there is only love, only that divinity. That \nwe are capable only of being what we are remains our unforgivable \nsin.\"\n\nBut you still get some lovely parting gifts. <g>\n\nWilliam Ansley"
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          "text": "At 2:06 PM -0400 7/5/00, Robert King wrote:\nI think it's at the very end of Claw, in the scene where Jolenta dies.\n\nAs I recall, it goes something like: \"In the end there is only love, only\nthat divinity. That we are capable of being only what we are remains our\nunforgivable sin.\"\n\nBelieve it or not, I used the line when I had to give my speech as the\nvaledictorian in high school. I figured Severian was a cooler reference\nthan Polonius (\"to thine own self be true,\" yadda yadda yadda). Damned if\nI can remember what context I placed it in, though.\n\n-- Bob\n\n\n\n\nOn Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Alex David Groce wrote:"
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          "text": " Ok, I'm trying to find where in New Sun Severian says something roughly\n like \"Our one unforgivable sin is that we remain capable only of being\n > what we are.\"  I can't find it anywhere, and I'm not sure I have the\n phrasing correct.  Anyone remember this?"
        }
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    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0029-0107@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Alex David Groce",
        "address": "alex_groce at gs246.sp.cs.cmu.edu"
      },
      "date": "2000-07-07T13:55:25+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) Who Wants to be a Torturer? (was Quotehunt)",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0029-0105@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "Thanks, Robert and William!\n\nA side note:  I \"stole\" (with attributions I'm sure no one paid any \nattention to) much of my high school graduation speech from LITTLE, BIG\nand Eliot's \"Little Gidding.\""
        },
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          "text": "\"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.\" John 8:32\n--\nAlex David Groce (agroce+ at cs.cmu.edu)\nPh.D. Student, Carnegie Mellon University - Computer Science Department\n8112 Wean Hall (412)-268-3066\nhttp://www.cs.cmu.edu/~agroce"
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    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0029-0109@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Charles Dye",
        "address": "raster at highfiber.com"
      },
      "date": "2000-07-08T10:31:51+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Re: Who Wants to be a Torturer? (was Quotehunt)",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0029-0107@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "William Ansley <wansley at warwick.net> writes:"
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          "text": "The correct answer is:\n\n\"In the final reckoning there is only love, only that divinity. That\nwe are capable only of being what we are remains our unforgivable\nsin.\""
        },
        {
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          "text": "Oddly enough, that second sentence appears twice in _Claw_:  near the\nend of the first chapter, and near the end of the last.  Vodalus and Jolenta --\nwhat's the connection?\n\nraster at highfiber.com"
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