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  "thread": {
    "id": 2365,
    "subject": "Lives and Times of the Master Torturers",
    "messages": 1,
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    "first": "2000-08-20T02:35:23+00:00",
    "last": "2000-08-20T02:35:23+00:00"
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    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0029-0180@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Roy C. Lackey",
        "address": "rclackey at stic.net"
      },
      "date": "2000-08-20T02:35:23+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Re: Lives and Times of the Master Torturers",
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          "text": "Talarican:\n\n    Here is another important datum which must be factored into your\nchronology, as it relates to Gurloes' age and informs us approximately how\nlong he has been a master. In chapter VII of CLAW, we learn:\n\n    \"During the period when Drotte was captain of apprentices...\" (1-3\nyears? before Sev became captain), Sev waited on Gurloes one night. While\ndrinking, Gurloes mentioned that he had been \"A master of the guild for\ntwenty years...\".\n\n    I believe Sev to be a couple of years younger than does mantis*, but\neven using mantis's estimate, that means Sev would have been 16-18 years old\non that occasion, and that Gurloes became a master two to four years before\nSev was born. If Palaemon was still \"...a wanderer, then, perhaps ten tears\nbefore I was born. And yet he had returned to the Citadel to become a master\nof the guild.\", as Sev believes, then _both_ Palaemon and Gurloes became\nmasters during the decade before Sev's birth. Unless someone is lying,\nthere's no way around that fact.\n\n    And if Palaemon was a master when he taught the apprentice Gurloes, then\nGurloes must have been a natural-born torturin' fool, because he had to have\nmade master before the age of thirty.\n\n    *One of the reasons I believe Sev to be younger than that comes from\nthat same passage (II, VII), the one where Gurloes is talking about an\narmiger's daughter who is to be \"abused\". Sev is young enough then that\nGurloes can taunt him about whether he has reached puberty: \"Don't tell me\nyou're not hairy yet.\"\n\nRoy"
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