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  "thread": {
    "id": 2550,
    "subject": "Is Mary really the name for all abo women? Or was that Scribner's error?",
    "messages": 1,
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    "first": "2001-01-20T23:31:59+00:00",
    "last": "2001-01-20T23:31:59+00:00"
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    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0030-0254@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Talarican",
        "address": "exultnttalarican at mindspring.com"
      },
      "date": "2001-01-20T23:31:59+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Is Mary really the name for all abo women? Or was that Scribner's error?",
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          "text": "We had some discussion previously about some of the text shifts and editing\nmissteps in 5HC from the original Scribner's 1972 edition and the Ace\npaperback. There was the infamous Ace \"All the worlds will be born\"\ncontraction. According to Charles Scribner's sons, Phaedria's\nfather \"owned\", most of the time,  large sums which the lenders could not\nhope to collect unless they were willing to allow him more to recoup. The\ndifficulty, I thought, was that he _didn't_ \"own\" these sums, but speculated\nwith others' money; Ace clarified that he \"owed\" these sums. Also, the\nScribner clan would have us believe the carcass of the 'water-carabou' the\nreal Dr. Marsch, great white hunter, was so proud of shooting from a range\nof 300 yards,  would weigh \"a good fifteen pounds\" (oof!).\n\nWell, the Scribnerites also tell us that, in \"A Story\", Seven Girls\nWaiting's infant was named Mary Pink Butterflies. It has become something of\ndogma among us Urthlings that \"Mary\" was the name of all abo women, just as\n\"John\" was stated in the text to be the name of all abo men, even though no\nsuch statement was made regarding \"Mary\", and the baby was the only example\nof a \"Mary\" in \"A Story\".\n\nThe subsequent Ace paperback threw an interesting twist in the\nscheme by naming Seven Girls Waiting's child \"_Many_ Pink Butterflies\". The\nAce version being the first (and for long only) I had read, I had accepted\n\"Many Pink Butterflies\" as the girl's name and imagined rapid movement of\nthe infant's hands created the impression, in Seven Girls Waiting's doting\neyes at any rate, of \"many\" butterflies.\n\nBut then again, \"A Story\", including the \"John\" rule,  may have been a\nfabrication on Victor Trenchard's part, drawing on \"abo\" folklore passed on\nto him by his parents.\n\n***\n\nBTW, for those concerned about my patronage of \"Breastless\"; I actually\npurchased these used volumes from independent book dealers by means of the\nInternet shopping/marketing mechanism \"Breastless\" makes available to them\nfor a price. I am quite cognizant and sympathetic to the plight of the\nindependent bookdealer, there being few such on Urth;\nand furthermore my alter ego's own father having been one of a related and\nmore specialized tribe, the independent college textbook dealer, which\nbusiness is now in its turn getting \"wal-mart-ized\" by big players in that\nparticular arena.\n\nTalarican"
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