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  "thread": {
    "id": 2567,
    "subject": "more thoughts on Red Star",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2001-02-12T15:03:45+00:00",
    "last": "2001-02-12T15:10:14+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0030-0279@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "maa32",
        "address": "maa32 at dana.ucc.nau.edu"
      },
      "date": "2001-02-12T15:10:14+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) more thoughts on Red Star",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "Thanks for the response, Nigel.  Another big part of the novel Red Star \ninvolves a problem with putting aside individualism.  The least \nindividualistic earthman (Leonov) the martians can find to show their society \nto cannot adapt to it and goes slightly crazy, behaving homicidally, \npossessively, and jealously.  Perhaps the clone has too much individuality, \nlike Leonov when he is faced with a culture in which everyone is the same.  \nCJ Cherryh's novel sounds like a much nicer fit to the story itself.  (I \nhaven't read anything by her even though I have a copy of Kutath and Chanur's \nLegacy lying around somewhere.  Is she worth reading?  If so, is there a good \nplace to start?)\n\nAs an aside, I have always wondered about that part in The Book of the New Sun \n(but right now I can't remember whether it is at the end of Claw or the \nbeginning of Sword) in which Severian meets this old woman (man?) in a hut and \nshe talks to her son about the tall stranger who came through with a staff \nwhen he was just a boy.  Does anyone know what I'm talking about, and if we \nare to assume that the tall stranger was someone in the text like Palaemon? \n(the description does sound like Horn, but that is reading too much into a \nslight detail.)  Sorry this is so sketchy, just one of those unsolved \nmysteries.  I'll look for the exact place later.\nMarc Aramini"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0030-0280@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Michael Andre-Driussi",
        "address": "mantis at sirius.com"
      },
      "date": "2001-02-12T15:03:45+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) more thoughts on Red Star",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0030-0279@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "Marc wrote:\nAs an aside, I have always wondered about that part in The Book of the New\nSun\n(but right now I can't remember whether it is at the end of Claw or the\nbeginning of Sword) in which Severian meets this old woman (man?) in a hut\nand\nshe talks to her son about the tall stranger who came through with a staff\nwhen he was just a boy.  Does anyone know what I'm talking about, and if we\nare to assume that the tall stranger was someone in the text like Palaemon?\n(the description does sound like Horn, but that is reading too much into a\nslight detail.)  Sorry this is so sketchy, just one of those unsolved\nmysteries.  I'll look for the exact place later."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
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          "text": "You might think you are being sketchy, but we know exactly what you are\ntalking about.  (Here, it is in III, ch. 7.)\n\nYes, some of us sometimes think that the silent man is Palaemon-in-exile.\nCheck the archive for some of the detailed arguments for and against.\n\n=mantis=\n\nSirius Fiction\nCatalog and errata sheet at http://www.sirius.com/~mantis/"
        }
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